Changes for Round 10 v Pies

[Roadrunner]

We got smashed at the clearances yesterday. Tackling, besides the 3Q was ineffectual. Disposals were poor. Just too many passengers. Question though is there anyone not playing who can improve things? Also, need to look to the future and give opportunities to those who will be a part of us moving forward. With that in mind, I would like to see Maibaum, Gould, Foote, Amartey and Wicks given an opportunity at some stage this season, if for nothing else, to see if they have enough upside to persist with. For this week, Rampe should be rested - no point suffering a long term injury for no good reason. I'd give Amartey a run over Sinclair - don't think we are ever going to win a flag with him as our ruck. Gray definitely out and Clarke offered nothing yesterday.

Out: Rampe Sinclair Gray Clarke
In: Maibaum Gould Amartey Stephens

Agreed Ralph- I’d also consider bringing Mcinerny in- bring in as many of our young blokes as possible. Ok, we’ll get smashed but at least we’ll find out what they’ve got if we give them a run of games. Remember GWS when they started? We smashed them every time- it was boys vs men, but it only lasted a couple of years. Realistically Adelaide is the only team we can beat and we’ve played them already. I don’t see us winning any more games this season and I’m ok with that, but I’d like to see some improvement. If we don’t find that in our youngsters, we are surely wasting time playing the recruits who are simply not good enough and won’t take us anywhere. They have more experience but so what? It hasn’t helped us much and certainly won’t in the future, judging by how they are playing. Sure, we have a lot of injuries but if an experienced player can’t get into high teen possessions and/or stop his direct opponent from the same, then IMHO he doesn’t deserve a game. Horse, just play the kids- this season is gone and we’ll get No 2 pick.

[barracuda]

Agreed Ralph- I’d also consider bringing Mcinerny in- bring in as many of our young blokes as possible. Ok, we’ll get smashed but at least we’ll find out what they’ve got if we give them a run of games. Remember GWS when they started? We smashed them every time- it was boys vs men, but it only lasted a couple of years. Realistically Adelaide is the only team we can beat and we’ve played them already. I don’t see us winning any more games this season and I’m ok with that, but I’d like to see some improvement. If we don’t find that in our youngsters, we are surely wasting time playing the recruits who are simply not good enough and won’t take us anywhere. They have more experience but so what? It hasn’t helped us much and certainly won’t in the future, judging by how they are playing. Sure, we have a lot of injuries but if an experienced player can’t get into high teen possessions and/or stop his direct opponent from the same, then IMHO he doesn’t deserve a game. Horse, just play the kids- this season is gone and we’ll get No 2 pick.

Mcinerney is one of the weakest players we have along with Elijah Taylor. Neither can stand up in a tackle or lay a tackle.

[TheBloods]

Rowbottom seemed to grab at his quad yesterday as he was chasing, then saw him with strapping at the next contest. Played out the game and looked fine but I think any niggles such as this and Cunningham's will earn players a rest this week with such a short turn-around.

[Blood Fever]

Mcinerney is one of the weakest players we have along with Elijah Taylor. Neither can stand up in a tackle or lay a tackle.

Are you questioning McInerney's heart?

[barracuda]

Are you questioning McInerney's heart?

No his strength to take a tackle.

[mcs]

Why are we dumping Ling after two ok games?

Strongly agree with the other two changes. I wouldn't mind finding a way to spell Clarke too but I suspect we're getting a bit young.

There are some on here that truly think you can judge the actual quality of a player on about 2 or 3 games it seems. There are not many constants or predictable factors in footy - but one thing is certainly. Exceptionally few players just hit the AFL at 'full tilt' and show what they have from day 1. In the absence of us being anywhere near challengers this year, I don't understand why we would drop players that have only just been given an opportunity in the Seniors unless they clearly need a break, are injured, or are truly stinking it up and need a chance to 'reset' (Which is definitely an argument you could apply to Blakey perhaps). Otherwise, give them a chance to show what they can do.

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Agreed Ralph- I’d also consider bringing Mcinerny in- bring in as many of our young blokes as possible. Ok, we’ll get smashed but at least we’ll find out what they’ve got if we give them a run of games. Remember GWS when they started? We smashed them every time- it was boys vs men, but it only lasted a couple of years. Realistically Adelaide is the only team we can beat and we’ve played them already. I don’t see us winning any more games this season and I’m ok with that, but I’d like to see some improvement. If we don’t find that in our youngsters, we are surely wasting time playing the recruits who are simply not good enough and won’t take us anywhere. They have more experience but so what? It hasn’t helped us much and certainly won’t in the future, judging by how they are playing. Sure, we have a lot of injuries but if an experienced player can’t get into high teen possessions and/or stop his direct opponent from the same, then IMHO he doesn’t deserve a game. Horse, just play the kids- this season is gone and we’ll get No 2 pick.

So if 'Adelaide' is realistically the only team we can beat, how did we win 2 other games as well so far, and lose 2 other games by single digit margins? I reckon we could comfortably double our number of wins before the end of the season. Yes we got smashed late yesterday, and hav

I don't disagree with giving lots of exposure to the youngsters, but I don't think the absolute negativity is warranted either.

[Roadrunner]

There are some on here that truly think you can judge the actual quality of a player on about 2 or 3 games it seems. There are not many constants or predictable factors in footy - but one thing is certainly. Exceptionally few players just hit the AFL at 'full tilt' and show what they have from day 1. In the absence of us being anywhere near challengers this year, I don't understand why we would drop players that have only just been given an opportunity in the Seniors unless they clearly need a break, are injured, or are truly stinking it up and need a chance to 'reset' (Which is definitely an argument you could apply to Blakey perhaps). Otherwise, give them a chance to show what they can do.

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So if 'Adelaide' is realistically the only team we can beat, how did we win 2 other games as well so far, and lose 2 other games by single digit margins? I reckon we could comfortably double our number of wins before the end of the season. Yes we got smashed late yesterday, and hav

I don't disagree with giving lots of exposure to the youngsters, but I don't think the absolute negativity is warranted either.

MCS- far from being negative, which serves no purpose whatsoever, I’m simply proposing that winning games or losing by big margins won’t make any significant difference this year. Of course I’d prefer to win, like all Swans, but let’s face it we were ok in our 2 wins against mid table teams not at their best, and in the close games we lost, I don’t recall satisfactory contributions from our recruits-hence my point about why play them? Clarke may be a little different in that he can play the role of a tagger, but as we all know his disposal is not up to scratch, to be kind.
If some on here think that Mci and Elijah have not gone in hard, let’s give them 5-6 games to redeem themselves, as it’s unfair to judge them based on 1-2 games. I hate to be critical of any of our players or the MC, but blind Freddie can see the limitations in Gray and Squizzy. I find it hard to be tolerant of reasonably experienced players making little contributions
but have no issues with players who have only played a handful of games making mistakes-hopefully they will learn from them!

[mcs]

MCS- far from being negative, which serves no purpose whatsoever, I’m simply proposing that winning games or losing by big margins won’t make any significant difference this year. Of course I’d prefer to win, like all Swans, but let’s face it we were ok in our 2 wins against mid table teams not at their best, and in the close games we lost, I don’t recall satisfactory contributions from our recruits-hence my point about why play them? Clarke may be a little different in that he can play the role of a tagger, but as we all know his disposal is not up to scratch, to be kind.
If some on here think that Mci and Elijah have not gone in hard, let’s give them 5-6 games to redeem themselves, as it’s unfair to judge them based on 1-2 games. I hate to be critical of any of our players or the MC, but blind Freddie can see the limitations in Gray and Squizzy. I find it hard to be tolerant of reasonably experienced players making little contributions
but have no issues with players who have only played a handful of games making mistakes-hopefully they will learn from them!

Sorry RR, my reference was in regards to younger players, rather then the more experienced recruits - I completely agree with you on that. I do think Lewis Taylor is worth perservering with, but I'm far from convinced in Gray, and while I want to like Clarke, I don't think he is in the long term plans (though plenty of players do mature late, and find their 'niche' - so Clarke does have time).

My disagreement was your supposition that we can't realistically expect to be competitive with other teams, and Adelaide is the only team we could beat. Unless we throw all the experienced guys on the bench, we can continue to be competitive with a reasonable chunk of the league, and more then likely will jag a few more wins yet

[barracuda]

MCS- far from being negative, which serves no purpose whatsoever, I’m simply proposing that winning games or losing by big margins won’t make any significant difference this year. Of course I’d prefer to win, like all Swans, but let’s face it we were ok in our 2 wins against mid table teams not at their best, and in the close games we lost, I don’t recall satisfactory contributions from our recruits-hence my point about why play them? Clarke may be a little different in that he can play the role of a tagger, but as we all know his disposal is not up to scratch, to be kind.
If some on here think that Mci and Elijah have not gone in hard, let’s give them 5-6 games to redeem themselves, as it’s unfair to judge them based on 1-2 games. I hate to be critical of any of our players or the MC, but blind Freddie can see the limitations in Gray and Squizzy. I find it hard to be tolerant of reasonably experienced players making little contributions
but have no issues with players who have only played a handful of games making mistakes-hopefully they will learn from them!

If you watch mcinerney and Elijah Taylor carefully you will see they do not have the physical build to play AFL at this stage. You could teach them on the job and keep playing them but they will develop bad habits. How can it be good for Elijah Taylor to avoid any type of contact. Watch the game, it is pretty bad.

[Blood Fever]

No his strength to take a tackle.

Fair enough. Very promising player I reckon.

[bloodspirit]

Why are we dumping Ling after two ok games?

Strongly agree with the other two changes. I wouldn't mind finding a way to spell Clarke too but I suspect we're getting a bit young.

Not because I'm down on Ling but more because:

* he's been so-so;

* I'm conscious that he came into the team a bit underdone, has played two games and there's a short turnaround until our next game; and

* I'm keen to get some of the other youngsters who went out back in.

In short, I'm thinking he's had a taste and could use a spell. Much the same as some of the other youngsters. I also hear what barracuda is saying about ET and I agree he's skating by on his undoubted talent (which is hopefully going to take him far), and for the much the same reasons as with Ling, I'd be happy to see him replaced by Warner.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Not because I'm down on Ling but more because:

* he's been so-so;

* I'm conscious that he came into the team a bit underdone, has played two games and there's a short turnaround until our next game; and

* I'm keen to get some of the other youngsters who went out back in.

In short, I'm thinking he's had a taste and could use a spell. Much the same as some of the other youngsters. I also hear what barracuda is saying about ET and I agree he's skating by on his undoubted talent (which is hopefully going to take him far), and for the much the same reasons as with Ling, I'd be happy to see him replaced by Warner.

Agree with all except Warner, he’s had a crack and unless he has demanded selection in the 2’s, I’d rather see someone new get a chance. Gould, Foote and Wicks all in line for a shot from what I’ve heard / read ( albeit limited info ). Amartey too. I’d rather see all of those get a shot before Warner gets a recall. He’s nowhere near senior ready to play on the ball , and playing him forward doesn’t do much for his development IMO.


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[MattW]

Not because I'm down on Ling but more because:

* he's been so-so;

* I'm conscious that he came into the team a bit underdone, has played two games and there's a short turnaround until our next game; and

* I'm keen to get some of the other youngsters who went out back in.

In short, I'm thinking he's had a taste and could use a spell. Much the same as some of the other youngsters. I also hear what barracuda is saying about ET and I agree he's skating by on his undoubted talent (which is hopefully going to take him far), and for the much the same reasons as with Ling, I'd be happy to see him replaced by Warner.

I'd rather see him learn on the job at this point. He shows promise and his performances don't suggest he needs a rest.

Also, none of the youngsters to which you refer play his position. He has O'Riordan's spot. I see it as a decision between those two. Is Colin fit? I'm losing track.

[Roadrunner]

If you watch mcinerney and Elijah Taylor carefully you will see they do not have the physical build to play AFL at this stage. You could teach them on the job and keep playing them but they will develop bad habits. How can it be good for Elijah Taylor to avoid any type of contact. Watch the game, it is pretty bad.

They are kids and of course need toughening up. They both have ability and ideally you would play them in the 2s for a year or so but with only scratch matches available and not even capable able of fielding a full team sometimes, I don’t see the point.
I would give all our youngsters a run of 5-6 games to give them a proper taste.
Regarding winning games: as I said before, of course I’d like to win more but with our current injury list this is a tall order now so aren’t we better off preparing for next year? Our future lies with the kids and our draft picks later this year. As far as trading goes, can someone explain why we traded young Cameron who gets into a strong Collingwood side and yet we could only give him one game, when you don’t have to be a Rhodes scholar to know we have a huge hole in our ruck department. Maybe the MC know something we don’t, but it appears to have been a dumb move.

[Ludwig]

The changes I would make:

Out: Gray, Lewis Taylor, Elijah Taylor, Blakey, Sinclair, Clarke
In: Amartey, Melican, Maibaum, O'Riordan, Wicks, Foot

Aliir, Reid and McCartin to play forward.

Let's try a new ruckman and key defenders. Nothing to lose.