Round 17: the other games. Are we there yet?

[KSAS]

Interesting comment re NRL. I think the AFL matches are becoming like Rugby League. Just get the ball and push through , dont worry about handballing just throw it. Throwing is back to the Dogs 2016 year,

Adjudication of the game has changed dramatically from what I've been brought up with. Doesn't matter if you drop the ball when tackled if you didn't have prior opportunity! Personally I think the game is so congested now that it makes it harder to umpire and Steve Hocking comes up with these silly interpretations in response. He should stop listening to the likes of Clarko and other coaches for rules advice as they have their own agendas. Hope the quarters do return to their normal lengths next year as I think the reduced times has also reduced the spectacle in this regard with congestion. This probably deserves to be in another thread.

[Blood Fever]

Adjudication of the game has changed dramatically from what I've been brought up with. Doesn't matter if you drop the ball when tackled if you didn't have prior opportunity! Personally I think the game is so congested now that it makes it harder to umpire and Steve Hocking comes up with these silly interpretations in response. He should stop listening to the likes of Clarko and other coaches for rules advice as they have their own agendas. Hope the quarters do return to their normal lengths next year as I think the reduced times has also reduced the spectacle in this regard with congestion. This probably deserves to be in another thread.

Agree. Guys incorrectly dispose of the ball all the time with no whistle and then they pluck one out of the blue. Disadvantages Swans because we are ranked 1st in tackles in the comp but get no reward for it. Shambles.

[Markwebbos]

Agree. Guys incorrectly dispose of the ball all the time with no whistle and then they pluck one out of the blue. Disadvantages Swans because we are ranked 1st in tackles in the comp but get no reward for it. Shambles.

They did actually pay a couple in the game last night. One to us against Robinson where he dropped the ball and one against Bell. Pleasantly surprised. Throwing has become ridiculous now. During the Giants game, one of the Demons players - Melksham I think - threw the ball one handed about 30m and it wasn't picked up.

AFL 2020: Jake Melksham throws, Melbournes vs GWS Giants, holding the ball rule change interpretation | Fox Sports

Surely they have to do something about this in the off-season. If a player drops or throws the ball, surely it has to be HTB unless the umpires deem its been knocked out in the tackle. Surely prior opportunity is only relevant if a player does not get rid of the ball? Or am I missing something?

Fix up HTB, cut rotations in half. Its not that complicated.

[KSAS]

They did actually pay a couple in the game last night. One to us against Robinson where he dropped the ball and one against Bell. Pleasantly surprised. Throwing has become ridiculous now. During the Giants game, one of the Demons players - Melksham I think - threw the ball one handed about 30m and it wasn't picked up.j

AFL 2020: Jake Melksham throws, Melbournes vs GWS Giants, holding the ball rule change interpretation | Fox Sports

Surely they have to do something about this in the off-season. If a player drops or throws the ball, surely it has to be HTB unless the umpires deem its been knocked out in the tackle. Surely prior opportunity is only relevant if a player does not get rid of the ball? Or am I missing something?

Fix up HTB, cut rotations in half. Its not that complicated.

In regards to throwing, I heard on SEN recently that the AFL had changed the handball interpretation not long ago whereby the bottom hand does not necessarily have to be stationary with more emphasis on contacting the ball with the fist in its execution (if I understood it correctly). No wonder players are getting away with these lightening quick handballs which look sus at times. I sound like Kevin Bartlett when I say that i'm concerned with the integrity of the game in regards to what is allowed as legal disposable these days. It appears to me they're relaxing in this area for the sake of allowing the ball to move quicker in the hope it may increase scoring & reduce ball ups (stoppages now being the modern term).

[goswannies]

Round 17: the other games. Are we there yet?

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[Nico]

Gold Coast's game was a carbon copy of our effort. Right in it but fell at the last hurdle.

[Markwebbos]

Gold Coast's game was a carbon copy of our effort. Right in it but fell at the last hurdle.

Complete with gobsmacking HTB that weren’t paid.

[KTigers]

Kade Simpson retiring. 342 games, 18 seasons. That's a pretty decent effort.

[barry]

Worsfold's press conference about the 'Essendon people' (lloyd and a bunch of other crooks) cant have a fast track to success compared to the other clubs, makes me think somewhere in bomber land there have been suggestions to do some more dodgy stuff to try to get back up the ladder.

Its like they are trying to track Carlton. And shows that the same people who were involved in the drugs and salary cap scandals are still big players and influencers at the club.

John Worsfold is a man of integrity, and Matthew Lloyd is a clown.

[Ludwig]

We should get rid of the handball. Besides the problems with adjudication of proper disposal. allowing throwing the ball, dropping the ball, or similar hand disposals, will open up the game and create more offense. I know the handball is part of the history of the game, but it's the biggest problem with umpiring the game. The only special disposal will be the kick, which can end in a mark or a score. So much simpler.

We should also move to last touch out of bounds with possession going to the other side, like in basketball. This too will speed up the game and eliminate the need for umpires to adjudicate on intent.

[barry]

I dont know about banning handball, but we should restrict it. I would be in favour of a scheme such as this.

Defenders. No more than 3 handballs per player per game. After that each subsequent handball up to six is penalised by a ball-up, and after six, its a free kick the opposition. If a player exceeds 12, a 50 metre "suspended" penalty is given, which is activated at the next free kick to that same side (in the same quarter).
Midfielders. No more than 5 handballs per player per game. After that each subsequent handball up to 7 is penalised by a ball-up, and after 7, its a free kick the opposition. If a player exceeds 12, a 50 metre "suspended" penalty is given, which is activated at the next free kick to that same side (in the same quarter).
Forwards are not allowed to handball at all, and if caught handballing inside the forward 50m, get a 10 minute "sin bin" on the bench. Handballs outside the 50m are penalised with a ball up. Should the team collectively have more than 20 handballs in the forward half of the ground, 3 points are deducted from their score for every handball above 20. This will require a change to the scoring for the extra column.
Eg 10 6 -2 60
Ruckmen are allowed unlimited handballs, but to classify as a ruckman you must be over 200cm. No more than 1 ruckman per team can be the 'nominated ruckman' for the duration of the quarter whether on the field or on the bench. Injuries will be referred to the goal review system to determine if real or not. If real, a team may change its nominated ruckman to any other player avalaible over 200cm. A team cannot make more than 1 injury induced change of nominated ruckman over a 2 game period.
Players who move between positions will fall into the jurisdiction of that position. Eg if a midfielder has 4 handballs already, and enters the backline and touches the ball, he is automatically deemed to have exceeded his limit and will be penalised as such (ball up).

This would solve a multitude of problems, not just dodgy handballs, but flooding, and keep Steve Hocking in a job. The umpires are fully on board, and see this as easier to implement than trying to judge 400 handballs a game.

[Ludwig]

I dont know about banning handball, but we should restrict it. I would be in favour of a scheme such as this.

Defenders. No more than 3 handballs per player per game. After that each subsequent handball up to six is penalised by a ball-up, and after six, its a free kick the opposition. If a player exceeds 12, a 50 metre "suspended" penalty is given, which is activated at the next free kick to that same side (in the same quarter).
Midfielders. No more than 5 handballs per player per game. After that each subsequent handball up to 7 is penalised by a ball-up, and after 7, its a free kick the opposition. If a player exceeds 12, a 50 metre "suspended" penalty is given, which is activated at the next free kick to that same side (in the same quarter).
Forwards are not allowed to handball at all, and if caught handballing inside the forward 50m, get a 10 minute "sin bin" on the bench. Handballs outside the 50m are penalised with a ball up. Should the team collectively have more than 20 handballs in the forward half of the ground, 3 points are deducted from their score for every handball above 20. This will require a change to the scoring for the extra column.
Eg 10 6 -2 60
Ruckmen are allowed unlimited handballs, but to classify as a ruckman you must be over 200cm. No more than 1 ruckman per team can be the 'nominated ruckman' for the duration of the quarter whether on the field or on the bench. Injuries will be referred to the goal review system to determine if real or not. If real, a team may change its nominated ruckman to any other player avalaible over 200cm. A team cannot make more than 1 injury induced change of nominated ruckman over a 2 game period.
Players who move between positions will fall into the jurisdiction of that position. Eg if a midfielder has 4 handballs already, and enters the backline and touches the ball, he is automatically deemed to have exceeded his limit and will be penalised as such (ball up).

This would solve a multitude of problems, not just dodgy handballs, but flooding, and keep Steve Hocking in a job. The umpires are fully on board, and see this as easier to implement than trying to judge 400 handballs a game.

Well, this should simplify umpiring the game.

We can get rid of the umpires and replace them with accountants.

[Nico]

We should get rid of the handball. Besides the problems with adjudication of proper disposal. allowing throwing the ball, dropping the ball, or similar hand disposals, will open up the game and create more offense. I know the handball is part of the history of the game, but it's the biggest problem with umpiring the game. The only special disposal will be the kick, which can end in a mark or a score. So much simpler.

We should also move to last touch out of bounds with possession going to the other side, like in basketball. This too will speed up the game and eliminate the need for umpires to adjudicate on intent.

You're losing it.

[Nico]

I dont know about banning handball, but we should restrict it. I would be in favour of a scheme such as this.

Defenders. No more than 3 handballs per player per game. After that each subsequent handball up to six is penalised by a ball-up, and after six, its a free kick the opposition. If a player exceeds 12, a 50 metre "suspended" penalty is given, which is activated at the next free kick to that same side (in the same quarter).
Midfielders. No more than 5 handballs per player per game. After that each subsequent handball up to 7 is penalised by a ball-up, and after 7, its a free kick the opposition. If a player exceeds 12, a 50 metre "suspended" penalty is given, which is activated at the next free kick to that same side (in the same quarter).
Forwards are not allowed to handball at all, and if caught handballing inside the forward 50m, get a 10 minute "sin bin" on the bench. Handballs outside the 50m are penalised with a ball up. Should the team collectively have more than 20 handballs in the forward half of the ground, 3 points are deducted from their score for every handball above 20. This will require a change to the scoring for the extra column.
Eg 10 6 -2 60
Ruckmen are allowed unlimited handballs, but to classify as a ruckman you must be over 200cm. No more than 1 ruckman per team can be the 'nominated ruckman' for the duration of the quarter whether on the field or on the bench. Injuries will be referred to the goal review system to determine if real or not. If real, a team may change its nominated ruckman to any other player avalaible over 200cm. A team cannot make more than 1 injury induced change of nominated ruckman over a 2 game period.
Players who move between positions will fall into the jurisdiction of that position. Eg if a midfielder has 4 handballs already, and enters the backline and touches the ball, he is automatically deemed to have exceeded his limit and will be penalised as such (ball up).

This would solve a multitude of problems, not just dodgy handballs, but flooding, and keep Steve Hocking in a job. The umpires are fully on board, and see this as easier to implement than trying to judge 400 handballs a game.

Strewth Bazza don't tell me you have lost the plot too. Am I the only senior on here who's still got his marbles?

[Mel_C]

We should also move to last touch out of bounds with possession going to the other side, like in basketball. This too will speed up the game and eliminate the need for umpires to adjudicate on intent.

What about if our defender spoils the ball and it goes out of bounds or there is a great contest near the boundary line in our defensive 50 and we are the last one to touch it? The opposition would then have a shot at goal. I don't want to see that.