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  • Mel_C
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 4470

    #46
    There is now only going to be 1 pre-season game this year instead of 2. The AFL wants to reduce travel. There will be a practice match scheduled to replace the second game. I hope we're not playing GWS twice.

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    • Mel_C
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 4470

      #47
      Just wanted to say we can't take it for granted what a great club we support. I was able to select to receive a members cap to be delivered with my membership pack without being charged a delivery fee. My brother was charged a delivery fee by Geelong for them to send him his cap. He is not happy!

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      • aardvark
        Veterans List
        • Mar 2010
        • 5685

        #48
        Seems Collingwood has been found guilty of "Systemic Racism". There is the full article on the ABC news site. Eddie might be on the way out a little earlier than expected.
        P.S. sorry about screwing up the thread.

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        • KTigers
          Senior Player
          • Apr 2012
          • 2499

          #49
          Originally posted by aardvark
          Seems Collingwood has been found guilty of "Systemic Racism". There is the full article on the ABC news site. Eddie might be on the way out a little earlier than expected.
          P.S. sorry about screwing up the thread.
          Apparently Collingwood has seconded the entire Woolies Virtue Signalling Dept, who do such a great job on TV trying
          to enunciate the beautiful and harmonious relationship that exists between the grocery store giant and local farmers and small suppliers.
          And right on cue, Eddie is already talking about what a "proud" day for Collingwood this is...

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          • bloodspirit
            Clubman
            • Apr 2015
            • 4448

            #50
            Thanks, aardvark, for saving me from stuffing up the thread instead. I was going to post links to this and the accompanying long and edifying read by Russell Jackson about the Lumumba case.

            * The review delivered its impressively damning findings a month ago. A few days later Eddie Maguire announced he would retire at season's end. Despite Collingwood FC's promise to make the findings of the review public, this leak is the first we have heard of it. I guess the club was trying to figure out how they could spin and manage the bad news and looking for a discreet time to announce it. Doesn't come at a good time, after their disastrous trade period. It is, however, to Collingwood's credit that they commissioned this review. I suspect that they will not be able to ignore it and the club will benefit and be reformed for the better. I wonder what it does for Nathan Buckley's career prospects? - it's not altogether positive about him. Combined with his role in pushing Treloar and Stephenson from the club, it could all come back to bite if the Pies don't perform on the field this season.

            * The Jackson article is sympathetic to Lumumba, which seems fitting, not least because there have been so many unsympathetic articles about him, which is highlighted by the article. I have to confess I was influenced by the previous reporting about the case to think that, while there may have been merits to Lumumba's claims of racism, he also seemed to be a bit disgruntled/unhinged. To read another side of his story was really valuable and even educational about racism generally. It has made me reconsider my views. I think it's positive that such in depth and progressive reporting has (belatedly) made it to a such a mainstream platform as ABC. I'm not so sure this would have happened even 5 years ago, before MeToo and BLM. We are all learning, and we are all benefitting from the embrace of greater diversity across our society. (Well, many of us are. Not sure about Eddie.)
            All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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            • aardvark
              Veterans List
              • Mar 2010
              • 5685

              #51
              I'm just glad that Eddie and the gang will be moving on sooner or later and the culture of racism at Collingwood, hopefully, will be eliminated. Time for the Pies to move into the 21st century.

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              • dejavoodoo44
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2015
                • 8727

                #52
                Originally posted by KTigers
                Apparently Collingwood has seconded the entire Woolies Virtue Signalling Dept, who do such a great job on TV trying
                to enunciate the beautiful and harmonious relationship that exists between the grocery store giant and local farmers and small suppliers.
                And right on cue, Eddie is already talking about what a "proud" day for Collingwood this is...
                Yes, it's a proud day for Eddie: in much the same as donating money to cancer research, is a proud day for a tobacco company.

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                • bloodspirit
                  Clubman
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 4448

                  #53
                  I see that Collingwood - and Eddie - are now busy spinning this as fast as they can. They seem to be going out of their way to minimise the report's adverse findings. I think this is the opposite of what they should be doing - the great thing about commissioning the report is that they have taken responsibility for their actions and working to be better. They are rightly proud of this - but all the minimising of the adverse content goes in the exact opposite direction.

                  In a similar vein, on their website they claim to have "released" the report - but there is no accompanying link and it doesn't appear to be published there.


                  What is positive is that they are committing to implementing all of the report's recommendations - which is better than governments usually manage after they commission set up Royal Commissions.
                  All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                  • Sandridge
                    Outer wing, Lake Oval
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 2093

                    #54
                    "McGuire also said Collingwood has “led the way” in the fight against racism since he became president 22 years ago."

                    Is he for real? He's got a touch of the "Donald Trumps" about him! The report is scathing. How McGuire can make anything positive out of it is beyond me!

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                    • Legs Akimbo
                      Grand Poobah
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 2809

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Sandridge
                      "McGuire also said Collingwood has “led the way” in the fight against racism since he became president 22 years ago."

                      Is he for real? He's got a touch of the "Donald Trumps" about him! The report is scathing. How McGuire can make anything positive out of it is beyond me!
                      A touch...????

                      He is delusional.
                      He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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                      • Sandridge
                        Outer wing, Lake Oval
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 2093

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                        A touch...????

                        He is delusional.
                        Ok, more than a touch.

                        McGuire claiming this is a proud day for Collingwood is like Trump bragging that the discovery of a vaccine for the coronavirus happened on his watch.

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                        • Bloods05
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 1641

                          #57
                          Originally posted by bloodspirit
                          Thanks, aardvark, for saving me from stuffing up the thread instead. I was going to post links to this and the accompanying long and edifying read by Russell Jackson about the Lumumba case.

                          * The review delivered its impressively damning findings a month ago. A few days later Eddie Maguire announced he would retire at season's end. Despite Collingwood FC's promise to make the findings of the review public, this leak is the first we have heard of it. I guess the club was trying to figure out how they could spin and manage the bad news and looking for a discreet time to announce it. Doesn't come at a good time, after their disastrous trade period. It is, however, to Collingwood's credit that they commissioned this review. I suspect that they will not be able to ignore it and the club will benefit and be reformed for the better. I wonder what it does for Nathan Buckley's career prospects? - it's not altogether positive about him. Combined with his role in pushing Treloar and Stephenson from the club, it could all come back to bite if the Pies don't perform on the field this season.

                          * The Jackson article is sympathetic to Lumumba, which seems fitting, not least because there have been so many unsympathetic articles about him, which is highlighted by the article. I have to confess I was influenced by the previous reporting about the case to think that, while there may have been merits to Lumumba's claims of racism, he also seemed to be a bit disgruntled/unhinged. To read another side of his story was really valuable and even educational about racism generally. It has made me reconsider my views. I think it's positive that such in depth and progressive reporting has (belatedly) made it to a such a mainstream platform as ABC. I'm not so sure this would have happened even 5 years ago, before MeToo and BLM. We are all learning, and we are all benefitting from the embrace of greater diversity across our society. (Well, many of us are. Not sure about Eddie.)
                          Well said.

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                          • liz
                            Veteran
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16786

                            #58
                            Originally posted by bloodspirit
                            the great thing about commissioning the report is that they have taken responsibility for their actions and working to be better. They are rightly proud of this -
                            .
                            You're being quite generous to them with that observation (snipped from your longer post but not - I hope - to the extent of removing context).

                            Lumumba's allegations go back a few years. Collingwood have spent that time denying them, or saying they were in the past, or otherwise distancing themselves. I suspect that it's only because Lumumba launched legal action against them (or at least threatened to) that they finally got around to seeing if they was substance to his allegations. Not sure that's much to be proud of.

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                            • stevoswan
                              Veterans List
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8573

                              #59
                              Originally posted by KTigers
                              Apparently Collingwood has seconded the entire Woolies Virtue Signalling Dept, who do such a great job on TV trying
                              to enunciate the beautiful and harmonious relationship that exists between the grocery store giant and local farmers and small suppliers.
                              And right on cue, Eddie is already talking about what a "proud" day for Collingwood this is...
                              I saw that on the news.....it floored me. Only Eddie could put that sort of Trumpian spin on this deplorable situation.

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                              • Meg
                                Go Swannies!
                                Site Admin
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 4828

                                #60
                                Report on Collingwood:

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