2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • stevoswan
    Veterans List
    • Sep 2014
    • 8543

    Originally posted by Aprilbr
    Agreed that Stephens and Gould are vulnerable to interstate raids. Having said that, the player bonds seem especially strong and the future bright. Why would a player seek to leave?
    So they get to regularly play senior AFL footy.....as much as they might love the club, their prime motivation is to play seniors. We have to give them hope that they have a future where this is possible at the Swans. If they can't see this, why would they want to stay? Their loyalty must rewarded unless the club see's no future in them......and if this is indeed the case, the club must free them to seek opportunity.

    I envisage bright futures for both Stephens and Gould at the Swans so hopefully they get the chance to prove themselves worthy of realising this with us.....and soon. I'm sure they want to remain at the Swans and be part of what looks to be an exciting era ahead. On that score they would not want to leave but more importantly, they want to be playing at the top level with us.....not just supporting list depth and wasting their talent in the reserves comp.

    Strong lists will always face these challenges as loyalty only goes so far when it remains unrewarded.

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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      Gould is more of a worry than Stephens, given how undersized our backline is at the moment.

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      • 707
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2009
        • 6204

        After today's result it could be we are not picking at the pointy end of the Mid Season Draft or the National Draft.

        Our depth has very suddenly become good and lack of (touch wood) injuries makes it hard for contenders to break into the senior team. But it's a long brutal season, there will be opportunities.

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        • gloveski
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2003
          • 1018

          Injuries will come, Gould and Stephens will get there opportunities. Stephens had an injury pre season . If that didn’t happen he most likely would have started in the ones . We are only 3 rounds in , depth is a great thing


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          • Auntie.Gerald
            Veterans List
            • Oct 2009
            • 6474

            I just absolutely love the style of footy we are playing right now.

            Super high pressure around the ball.

            Fast break moving forward footy and looking for an immediate 12 o'clock space from the contest.

            Plus beyond all my expectations has been our ability to execute and transition so fast between defence and attack. Simply amazing to watch.

            Most pleasing of all has been watching Dawson, Warner, Wicks, Hickey, McCartin etc go to a whole new level.

            Warner has doubled his clearance speed........bloody amazing actually his ability to pull away from contests and back himself. He could become our next Parker ie later pick that just manchilds his spot in the team.
            "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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            • TheBloods
              Suspended by the MRP
              • Feb 2020
              • 2047

              Warner is our best young player. Incredible what he is doing in his 3rd 4th 5th game. Has all the makings of being a future Brownlow medalist and top 5 player in the comp. Great drafting

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              • greeng
                Pushing for Selection
                • Mar 2021
                • 84

                I wonder if the bloke who recruited Hannebery and Jones to St Kilda still has a job?

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                • MattW
                  Veterans List
                  • May 2011
                  • 4195

                  Originally posted by greeng
                  I wonder if the bloke who recruited Hannebery and Jones to St Kilda still has a job?
                  There was a bit of hand-wringing about trading Jones last year, but there are some insoluble limitations in his game. Warner is a similar kind of player, but looks to have the ability to be a better player. He’s at least as fast, seems to have a superior capacity to break tackles, and better goal sense. The goal on the run yesterday was thrilling.

                  Really savvy drafting.

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                  • Legs Akimbo
                    Grand Poobah
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 2809

                    Originally posted by MattW
                    There was a bit of hand-wringing about trading Jones last year, but there are some insoluble limitations in his game. Warner is a similar kind of player, but looks to have the ability to be a better player. He’s at least as fast, seems to have a superior capacity to break tackles, and better goal sense. The goal on the run yesterday was thrilling.

                    Really savvy drafting.
                    Agreed. Warner is a much better luck than either player. That's the key to our new game plan. Kicking strength and precision. I wonder if the club was working to a plan all along with moving these high price but flawed players along.
                    He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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                    • liz
                      Veteran
                      Site Admin
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16738

                      Of all the players we've lost recently, Jones was the one who's departure disappointed me the most. He had his flaws but he offered a speed and acceleration to our otherwise plodding midfield that we'd been missing since Jack's departure (or even Jack's decline).

                      I'm now firmly in the Zak who? camp. Warner, Rowbottom and Florent now offer that speedy escape from congestion in spades. Long may it continue.

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                      • Bangalore Swans
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Mar 2021
                        • 1049

                        Originally posted by liz
                        Of all the players we've lost recently, Jones was the one who's departure disappointed me the most. He had his flaws but he offered a speed and acceleration to our otherwise plodding midfield that we'd been missing since Jack's departure (or even Jack's decline).

                        I'm now firmly in the Zak who? camp. Warner, Rowbottom and Florent now offer that speedy escape from congestion in spades. Long may it continue.
                        Jones was indisciplined. He gave up so many unnecessary free kicks that destroyed team momentum.

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                        • Aprilbr
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2016
                          • 1803

                          My understanding is that Zac Jones asked to be trading to the Saints as he was keen to be closer to his family. We would have preferred to keep him but he was adamant that he wanted to go. Horse said as much at the time.

                          We received a second rounder in return (number 32) for Jones which regrettably we used on that Elijah Taylor - enough said on him. As things have transpired, we have injected other pacy players into the midfield since so he was not as big a loss as it could have been. Just a shame that the pick 32 did not work out for us as we have tended to do well with our picks in the 30s over the years.

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                          • i'm-uninformed2
                            Reefer Madness
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 4653

                            Jones left because he was determined to go home, and Harley even conceded we all but lost him two years before.

                            But I remember when he did, and Papley wanted to as well, you looked around and went we're going to be the slowest side to ever play the game.

                            The transformation since: Blakey, McInerney, Wicks, Campbell, and Stephens would all be quicker than Jones, Florent has become at least his equal this year, Warner is as dynamic (and going to be more explosive), Rowbottom a more rounded midfielder and Gulden a smarter player. Remarkable.
                            'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                            • gloveski
                              Senior Player
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 1018

                              Originally posted by liz
                              Of all the players we've lost recently, Jones was the one who's departure disappointed me the most. He had his flaws but he offered a speed and acceleration to our otherwise plodding midfield that we'd been missing since Jack's departure (or even Jack's decline).

                              I'm now firmly in the Zak who? camp. Warner, Rowbottom and Florent now offer that speedy escape from congestion in spades. Long may it continue.
                              Zak was fast but his biggest down side is his disposal by foot , turns it over way to much . Has a tendency to do soft tissue injuries as well


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                              • Aprilbr
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2016
                                • 1803

                                I was reviewing our picks in the past 9 drafts since our last premiership. See list below. My overall observations are:

                                1. Our recruiting people have done an excellent job in identifing young talent and bringing them to the Club. Most years we have identified at least two or three who have gone on to be good players for us. Some years it has been four good ones.

                                2. Our draft performance has been very consistent with selections in the earlier years when we finished higher on the ladder and so receiving lower picks generally comparable to later years when we finished lower. The Academy helps in this regard as does our rookie selections.

                                3. Some of our picks have gone on to play good football elsewhere eg Membrey, Nankervis, Aliir.

                                4. The rookie list has been kind to us, especially in those earlier years. We have picked up key players like Papley, Rampe and Lloyd this way.

                                4. The consistency of our talent identification helps explain the current healthy state of our list. We don't get every one of those picks right but we have a healthy strike rate that would be comparable if not superior to most other teams.

                                5. Our draft performances in 2018 and 2020 are noteworthy.

                                Thoughts please.



                                2012

                                Dean Towers
                                Harrison Marsh
                                Tim Membrey
                                Matthew Dick
                                Harry Cunningham
                                Kurt Tippett (pre-season draft)

                                Rookie

                                Jake Lloyd
                                Xavier Richards
                                Dane Rampe
                                Daniel Robinson
                                Brandon Jack
                                Sam Naismith

                                2013

                                Zak Jones
                                George Hewett
                                Toby Nankervis
                                Aliir Aliir

                                Rookie

                                Patrick Mitchel
                                Lloyd Perris

                                2014

                                Isaac Heeney
                                James Rose
                                Jack Hiscox
                                Abaina Davis

                                Rookie

                                Sean McLaren
                                Nic Newman
                                Lewis Melican
                                Jordan Foote

                                2015

                                Callum Mills
                                Tyrone Leonardis
                                Jordan Dawson

                                Rookie

                                Tom Papley
                                Harrison Marsh
                                Kyle Galloway
                                Samuel Murray
                                Colin O'Riordan

                                2016

                                Oliver Florent
                                Will Hayward
                                Jack Maibaum
                                Darcy Cameron

                                Rookie
                                Ben Ronke
                                Robbie Fox
                                Shaun Edwards
                                Toby Pink

                                2017

                                Matthew Ling
                                Tom McCartin
                                Ryley Stoddart

                                Rookie
                                Angus Styles
                                Joel Amartey
                                Alex Johnson

                                2018
                                Nick Blakey
                                James Rowbottom

                                Justin McInerney

                                Zac Foot

                                Rookie

                                Durak Tucker

                                Harry Reynolds

                                Sam Wicks (Category B Rookie)

                                2019

                                Dylan Stephens
                                Will Gould
                                Elijah Taylor
                                Chad Warner

                                Rookie
                                Brady Rowles
                                Jack Maibaum

                                2020

                                Logan McDonald
                                Braeden Campbell
                                Errol Gulden

                                Rookie
                                Malachy Carruthers
                                Last edited by Aprilbr; 4 April 2021, 12:17 PM.

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