Round 5: the other games. Form, it's a mysterious thing.

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  • 707
    Veterans List
    • Aug 2009
    • 6204

    #16
    Originally posted by liz
    ............
    I was struck watching tonight's game how many of St Kilda's team - their core players - are imports from other clubs. Steele, Crouch, Hill, Higgins, Butler, Membrey, Carlisle, Howard who all played tonight, plus Jones, Hannebery, and Ryder who would all be automatic selections if fit, and McKernan, Frawley and Wood who aren't in their best team but are likely amongst the best of their depth.

    Doesn't say much for their drafting nous over the last decade or so......................
    Read that Carlton are trying to lure Adam Cerra away from Freo. Reading your post about the Saints being a foreign legion of players, without looking at their list, I reckon Carlton is very similar, using cheque book recruiting.

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    • bloodspirit
      Clubman
      • Apr 2015
      • 4448

      #17
      Originally posted by Markwebbos

      Nice one, MW! Love it.
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      • Nico
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 11343

        #18
        Heard a St Kilda caller on SEN today scathing of the trading of Hanners and Jones to St Kilda.
        http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16786

          #19
          Originally posted by Nico
          Heard a St Kilda caller on SEN today scathing of the trading of Hanners and Jones to St Kilda.
          The trading to, or the trading in? Presumably the latter. The trading out is looking like a decent piece of business (albeit slightly sad in the case of Hanners, purely from a sentimental perspective, given he was a warrior for us for several seasons).

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          • O'Reilly Boy
            Warming the Bench
            • Feb 2014
            • 474

            #20
            Originally posted by liz
            The trading to, or the trading in? Presumably the latter. The trading out is looking like a decent piece of business (albeit slightly sad in the case of Hanners, purely from a sentimental perspective, given he was a warrior for us for several seasons).
            Agreed. Very similar to the trading out of Malceski to GC. Devastating on an emotional level; brilliant list management otherwise.

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            • KTigers
              Senior Player
              • Apr 2012
              • 2499

              #21
              Obviously St Kilda trading in Hannebery was a big risk for them considering his body was very much broken at the time. It's not like they
              didn't know. I think he has only played about a dozen games for them in two and a bit seasons. His body is wrecked because of what
              he did for us over many years. I have a framed photo of the Malceski goal in the 2012 GF and the expression on Hanners face is priceless.
              It's hard not to have a soft spot for him.

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              • Ludwig
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                • Apr 2007
                • 9359

                #22
                I've been critical of the Saints' list management strategy, especially the for what they gave up to recruit Brad Hill and the cost of the Hanners contract, but had to admit last year that it all seemed to be coming together for them from their high priced recruits to rookie draft picks, like Rowan Marshall.

                This year things have turned on its head. Everything appears to be going wrong, from injuries to poor form. It's hard to believe how a player with Hill's credentials and proven ability can fall off the rails so quickly. It's almost as if he's lost his ability to play footy at the most rudimentary level.

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                • SwanSand
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Aug 2020
                  • 529

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Ludwig
                  I've been critical of the Saints' list management strategy, especially the for what they gave up to recruit Brad Hill and the cost of the Hanners contract, but had to admit last year that it all seemed to be coming together for them from their high priced recruits to rookie draft picks, like Rowan Marshall.

                  This year things have turned on its head. Everything appears to be going wrong, from injuries to poor form. It's hard to believe how a player with Hill's credentials and proven ability can fall off the rails so quickly. It's almost as if he's lost his ability to play footy at the most rudimentary level.
                  I reckon he was supposed to be the icing on the cake. Unfortunately the list is now stacked with players who think that they are all icing on the cake and no one is doing the hard stuff. Again quality of a player doesn’t go down that quickly without losing fitness, so it has to be structural to how they set up and how they are being coached. Maybe there is overcoaching.

                  They will need to get players who want to go to St kilda coz they think they can play their best footy rather than get the best money.

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                  • Blood Fever
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                    • Apr 2007
                    • 4051

                    #24
                    Originally posted by KTigers
                    Obviously St Kilda trading in Hannebery was a big risk for them considering his body was very much broken at the time. It's not like they
                    didn't know. I think he has only played about a dozen games for them in two and a bit seasons. His body is wrecked because of what
                    he did for us over many years. I have a framed photo of the Malceski goal in the 2012 GF and the expression on Hanners face is priceless.
                    It's hard not to have a soft spot for him.
                    Great player for us for a decade

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                    • Markwebbos
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                      • Jul 2016
                      • 7186

                      #25
                      Originally posted by RogueSwan
                      Up there with "instinctual"
                      I presume the noun form is “interpretatation”

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                      • Markwebbos
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                        • Jul 2016
                        • 7186

                        #26
                        Originally posted by liz
                        The trading to, or the trading in? Presumably the latter. The trading out is looking like a decent piece of business (albeit slightly sad in the case of Hanners, purely from a sentimental perspective, given he was a warrior for us for several seasons).
                        I thought Hanners was the “big fish” the Saints recruited as a demonstration to other potential trade targets.

                        In that sense it’s been a success.

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                        • liz
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                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16786

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Markwebbos
                          I thought Hanners was the “big fish” the Saints recruited as a demonstration to other potential trade targets.

                          In that sense it’s been a success.
                          I never understood why the Saints chose to offer Hanners another two years - on the same money, so the media reported - as the three year contract they were taking over from us. Given his injury history that was a pretty significant risk. An option (his option) for an extension if he played a certain number of games might have been smarter. Though I guess that might not have been sufficient to lure him to the Saints.

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                          • Mel_C
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 4470

                            #28
                            Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                            Maybe it's some kind of new AFL deal? If you have to miss a week because of the concussion rule, you get to be a Channel 7 commentator.
                            Or it's a way for Selwood to be paid money outside the salary cap so that Geelong can afford to pay all their recruits.

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                            • dejavoodoo44
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                              • Apr 2015
                              • 8727

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Mel_C
                              Or it's a way for Selwood to be paid money outside the salary cap so that Geelong can afford to pay all their recruits.
                              Since the AFL doesn't seem to publish any details about third party player payments and the like, we can only imagine what the rorts might be.

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                              • Thunder Shaker
                                Aut vincere aut mori
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 4226

                                #30
                                We play the Saints twice in the last 11 rounds, at about the time they're likely to be giving up their season and are starting to play the kids. They could be good for some percentage.
                                "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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