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  • dimelb
    pr. dim-melb; m not f
    • Jun 2003
    • 6889

    Originally posted by NeonBible
    Another round down and here is how our Swans are going in player ratings! I know these are a contentious source but any evidence to support a good discussion of the game is worth reading i say!!



    -Young Errol 1st for his age group! Played just enough games for his 8 matches to count! (ahead of Tom Powell, Nik Cox, Sam Berry and Archie Perkins)
    -Chad is 3rd for his age group (behind Tom Green and Caleb Serong, ahead of Kysaiah Pickett and Noah Anderson)
    -Rowbottom is 2nd for his age group (behind Sam Walsh)
    -McInerney is 4th in the same age group ^^ (ahead of Jack Lukosius)
    -Mills has cracked the top 5 of his age group! (behind Clayton Oliver, Darcy Parish, Ben Keays and Jacob Hopper - as a side note, what a pick up Keays has been for the crows!)
    -The ever-underrated Parker is 4th for his age group (behind Tom Liberatore, Hugh Greenwood and Jarryd Lyons)
    -HICKEY is 4th in his age group (behind some wonderful players - Nic Naitanui, Dustin Martin and Rory Sloane! Ahead of Max Gawn!)

    Some of these players could be better than they havebeen so far but add in the always reliable Jake Lloyd, the rise of Cunningham, further development of McCartin and Florent, a reborn Hayward!, Buddy back on the mend, Dawson growing into a star .. you can really see the difference it makes to have quality consistent performers in the team!! Bright youth mixed with experienced heads we KNOW can take us to glory because they've done it before! Its a recipe for success!!

    Final note - our 4 players represented in the under 22 age groups in these player ratings is more than any other team - take that Essendon-loving journalists
    No place for Heeney?
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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    • snajik
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2003
      • 1115

      Originally posted by AB Swannie

      That being said, we won the game and move on. At the beginning of the year, there is no way we would've been favoured to beat the Saints. The predicted spots on the table are reversed so I'm thrilled that we won. We still have so much improvement that the competition should be scared for 2022 and 2023. I agree that the younger mids have dropped 10%. Warner, RB, Florent are not accumulating the ball like we would like. Hopefully, the bye comes and we can give them some rest, get Gulden and Campbell some more games and give some of the big boys a fright in September.
      Something being overlooked here and elsewhere is that RB and Chad are usually only being given 60-70% game time. So when it looks as though they've 'gone missing' chances are they are on the bench. Their stats actually stack up ok once this is taken into account.
      I'm guessing that their respective minutes will increase as they get more games under their belts. It's a big ask for players in their teens early 20s to be impactful centre square midfielders while playing 80-90% game time. I'd say they are also be careful with RB, bringing him back slowly from his hyperextended knee injury. In a couple of seasons they'll both be locks as midfield starters. Both play with poise and purpose.
      Florent is pretty much already there. Occasionally has a day where he's not as potent but these are becoming less frequent.
      It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
      The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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      • i'm-uninformed2
        Reefer Madness
        • Oct 2003
        • 4653

        In critiquing RB or Warner or some of the other younger guys (not sure Florent is in that category any more) as looking tired, I don't think too many of us are knocking them per se.

        In fact, it's understandable a full season is a challenge for them. I for one was posting rounds 4 or 5 that we'd hopefully start to see some management of our first year players in particular and second and third year players to a degree too. Horse has been open that they probably took Campbell one round too many (albeit as a sub that then had to be used) and that they deliberately backed off McDonald for a few weeks. They gave JMac a precautionary week off against Freo. That all makes perfect sense and is smart.

        Giving RB - who might still have a knee issue - and Warner a week off between the bye and end of H&A season would probably be wise too.

        If that costs us a game at some stage, so be it. Of course we want to win every week, but to be honest - we're building for '23 onwards, so let's cultivate and manage our young guys; rather than break them.
        'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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        • NeonBible
          Warming the Bench
          • Mar 2021
          • 280

          Originally posted by dimelb
          No place for Heeney?
          Apparently not!

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          • NeonBible
            Warming the Bench
            • Mar 2021
            • 280

            Chad i thimk is OK. He hasn't been playing inside mid as much as early rounds because he's been pushed out by Rowbottom's return. He isn't finding the ball as much playing wing and forward so his possession drop is understandable. But i wonder if this is worth it?? Taking midfield opportunities away from Chad to accommodate another mid who it's not happening for atm? Very tough to tell from the outside looking in but if Rowbottom is injured he shouldn't be out there, or at least not in such a key role where at most he will only get 15 touches and not be very spritely or damaging. I am not with TheBloods in canning him from the midfield forever! But in his current shape it doesnt make sense to be keeping him in there when we have Chad ready to go instead.. thoughts??

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            • snajik
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2003
              • 1115

              I disagree. I think both Chad and RB are having a significant impact, but as IU2 says above we don't want them busted up by the time they reach 23. It's a longer season this year (longer still if we play finals which we should from here) and with longer quarters. It's a step up for both and I'm happy to have faith in Horse making a call about how much game time each should have, particularly in such demanding roles. I don't reckon the possession counts tell the whole story.
              Pretty certain that in 4-5 years our midfield will have a Mills, Chad, RB look about it, so we need to be thinking about the now and the then.
              It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
              The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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              • AB Swannie
                Senior Player
                • Mar 2017
                • 1579

                Interesting heat map for The Chad. From this, it certainly does look like he's been pushed out of the middle. I think that is a detriment to the team as he really is only suited to the one role.

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                • ugg
                  Can you feel it?
                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15976

                  Coaches' votes

                  6 Jack Steele (STK)
                  6 Jack Higgins (STK)
                  5 Brad Crouch (STK)
                  4 Dane Rampe (SYD)
                  4 Jake Lloyd (SYD)
                  3 Tom Hickey (SYD)
                  2 Tim Membrey (STK)


                  Tricky breakdown, the only permutation I've managed to make work is:

                  Steele/Higgins - one 4-2, the other 5-1
                  Crouch 5-0
                  Lloyd/Rampe - one 3-1, the other 4-0
                  Hickey 3-0
                  Membrey 2-0
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                  • ugg
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                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15976

                    Originally posted by AB Swannie
                    Interesting heat map for The Chad. From this, it certainly does look like he's been pushed out of the middle. I think that is a detriment to the team as he really is only suited to the one role.

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                    With Stephens dropped for the game, and no specialist winger coming in directly for him, it necessitated a reshuffle and it looks like (from my POV) that Warner and to a lesser extent Florent played more on the wing than in previous weeks.
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                    • 707
                      Veterans List
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 6204

                      Originally posted by Sandridge
                      We weren't at our sparkling best and the game may well have been a forgettable spectacle but if the result had been reversed, they would've been only one game behind us on the ladder.

                      Our win means that the Saints, and a few other teams with realistic final 8 aspirations, are 3 or more games behind us.

                      An important win! Go Bloods!
                      PLUS percentage, for some clubs huge percentage so they'd need to win 4 more games than us, not easy with only 10 games to go. It looks like 13 wins will be needed to make the finals, clubs like Saints need to win 8 out of 10, and sweetly Carlton 9 out of 10 :-)

                      We need 5 out of 10 and can reduce that ask by beating the Hawks next week.

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                      • NeonBible
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Mar 2021
                        • 280

                        Originally posted by AB Swannie
                        Interesting heat map for The Chad. From this, it certainly does look like he's been pushed out of the middle. I think that is a detriment to the team as he really is only suited to the one role.

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                        We usually roll 4 players through the midfield and will maybe have one or two others with smaller rotations

                        Most of this year it's been Joey, Parks, Mills and Chad in there, Rowbottom injured and rotating between inside and wing when he returned, and Ollie similar.

                        Since about the Collingwood or Freo game it's been Joey, Parks, Mills and Rowbottom, with Chad swapping to inside and wing and even half forward rotations.

                        So Rowbottom's return to the midfield has meant Chad's had less time in there - whether thats a good thing or not likely depends on how highly you rate those two lads!!

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                        • Matty10
                          Senior Player
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 1331

                          Originally posted by 707
                          PLUS percentage, for some clubs huge percentage so they'd need to win 4 more games than us, not easy with only 10 games to go. It looks like 13 wins will be needed to make the finals, clubs like Saints need to win 8 out of 10, and sweetly Carlton 9 out of 10 :-)
                          The Giants are still a game behind due to the bye, so they could make up the gap and just be two games and percentage behind.

                          The big thing for us is that we play teams in the top four and teams just outside the eight in the next 10 games so we have a big say in where we finish up this year. Top four, if we a good enough - outside the eight, if it all falls apart.

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                          • MattW
                            Veterans List
                            • May 2011
                            • 4230

                            Originally posted by ugg
                            Coaches' votes

                            6 Jack Steele (STK)
                            6 Jack Higgins (STK)
                            5 Brad Crouch (STK)
                            4 Dane Rampe (SYD)
                            4 Jake Lloyd (SYD)
                            3 Tom Hickey (SYD)
                            2 Tim Membrey (STK)


                            Tricky breakdown, the only permutation I've managed to make work is:

                            Steele/Higgins - one 4-2, the other 5-1
                            Crouch 5-0
                            Lloyd/Rampe - one 3-1, the other 4-0
                            Hickey 3-0
                            Membrey 2-0
                            How about:

                            Steele: 5,1
                            Higgins: 5,1
                            Crouch: 3,2
                            Rampe: 4,0
                            Lloyd: 4,0
                            Hickey: 3,0
                            Membrey: 2,0.

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