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  • caj23
    Senior Player
    • Aug 2003
    • 2462

    #16
    Originally posted by Ludwig
    I really feel sorry for Sam. It's just bad luck.

    The Swans were foolish to give him a new 3 year contract after his first ACL and I said so at the time. We could have just rookie listed him for last year and he would have already been delisted and on to the next stage of his life instead of spending 4 years doing rehab.

    Sinclair will most likely get another contract now.

    We need to go hard after Mabior Chol, or any ruckman with knee ligaments might do.
    They signed him up for 2022 4 weeks ago ????

    Whoever signed off on that shouldn’t have a job anymore

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    • Roadrunner
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2018
      • 1481

      #17
      Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
      Really feel for Sam. Seems like this sort of stuff happens to the good guys (I'm thinking AJ in particular).

      At age 28, it's going to be tough to make a meaningful comeback. He last played a decent block of games in 2017. Even if this goes well, we're looking at mid 2022, with his contract expiring at the end of season 2022.

      For the sake of the club and the list, he should retire. Perhaps there could be a role for him as a ruck coach or in player welfare / development to ease his transition into retirement.
      It’s really heartbreaking for Sam, and the club. After the frustrations AJ, the club and we supporters went through, here we are again.

      All we can do is help Sam through this as he goes yet again for another reco and rehab. He should be able to play late next year, all being well, and then he will be a bit younger than big Tom is now, so he may then still have another few years at top level. That being said, I can understand if he says enough is enough. Whatever you decide Sam, we support you all the way.

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      • Velour&Ruffles
        Regular in the Side
        • Jun 2006
        • 898

        #18
        Originally posted by Rod_
        Hoping for a speedy recovery!

        Does raise other questions that don’t need to be answered this year!
        Um, yeah, good luck with that.

        Sadly, game over I think.
        My opinion is objective truth in its purest form

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        • goswannies
          Senior Player
          • Sep 2007
          • 3051

          #19
          Originally posted by The Big Cat
          Explains why we picked up McAndrew from nowhere.
          Possibly not.

          1) McAndrew was an academy product so we knew about him and he’s been working with Steve Taubert and Dean Cox. Both fair judges of ruck talent I’d say, so hardly from nowhere

          2) if we knew about Naismith before the mid season rookie draft, wouldn’t we have listed him as another long term injury giving us an additional pick?

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          • Aaron
            Regular in the Side
            • Jan 2009
            • 805

            #20
            It is very sad. Never understand the inside thoughts of these players who could not give up despite repeating serious injuries. Personally, I don't think he has any chance to play seniors for more than a handful of games. If I were his family, I would strongly advise him to try something else. AFL is not everything and while you are no longer very young, you should use your time well and try something else and explore more options.

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            • Legs Akimbo
              Grand Poobah
              • Apr 2005
              • 2809

              #21
              Tough break for the guy. Life can really throw some curve balls. I rate him too.
              He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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              • MattW
                Veterans List
                • May 2011
                • 4219

                #22
                Originally posted by The Big Cat
                Explains why we picked up McAndrew from nowhere.
                Yes.

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                • Ludwig
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9359

                  #23
                  When I checked Sam's contract status I thought I had just miscounted when I saw 2022. What a blunder extending his contract when he hadn't even played a senior game since the last reco.

                  I'm not impressed at all with Charlie Gardiner. Since he stopped doing the injury update, he has more time to make mistakes. I wouldn't mind seeing him delisted at the end of the season, and he can take Jeremy Laidler with him.

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                  • MattW
                    Veterans List
                    • May 2011
                    • 4219

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Ludwig
                    When I checked Sam's contract status I thought I had just miscounted when I saw 2022. What a blunder extending his contract when he hadn't even played a senior game since the last reco.

                    I'm not impressed at all with Charlie Gardiner. Since he stopped doing the injury update, he has more time to make mistakes. I wouldn't mind seeing him delisted at the end of the season, and he can take Jeremy Laidler with him.
                    Certainly agree re Laidler.

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                    • Blood Fever
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4050

                      #25
                      Originally posted by MattW
                      Certainly agree re Laidler.
                      Inside info or just guessing on both of them?
                      The way our team is performing suggests a well run club and a VFL team preparing players for the senior team

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                      • Jimitron5000
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 455

                        #26
                        Very sad news. Wish Sam all the best.

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                        • MattW
                          Veterans List
                          • May 2011
                          • 4219

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Blood Fever
                          Inside info or just guessing on both of them?
                          The way our team is performing suggests a well run club and a VFL team preparing players for the senior team
                          Neither, just agreeing with the general sentiment re Laidler (only).

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                          • The Big Cat
                            On the veteran's list
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 2356

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Ludwig
                            When I checked Sam's contract status I thought I had just miscounted when I saw 2022. What a blunder extending his contract when he hadn't even played a senior game since the last reco.

                            I'm not impressed at all with Charlie Gardiner. Since he stopped doing the injury update, he has more time to make mistakes.
                            Kinnear Beatson is our list manager. Gardner just handles the paperwork.
                            Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              #29
                              Originally posted by The Big Cat
                              Kinnear Beatson is our list manager. Gardner just handles the paperwork.
                              Usually, player contracts would come under the rubric of the Head of Football and the CEO. It's nothing to do with Sam personally, but I don't believe his situation since the first ACL reco has been handled well at all.

                              Also, granted that the list size and related issues during the post season last year were confusing, it shouldn't have been confusing to our Head of Football. He should be embarrassed the way the Robbie Fox delisting was botched.

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                              • Ralph Dawg
                                Senior Player
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 1729

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Ludwig
                                Usually, player contracts would come under the rubric of the Head of Football and the CEO. It's nothing to do with Sam personally, but I don't believe his situation since the first ACL reco has been handled well at all.

                                Also, granted that the list size and related issues during the post season last year were confusing, it shouldn't have been confusing to our Head of Football. He should be embarrassed the way the Robbie Fox delisting was botched.
                                I'm with you Ludwig. Sam busted his ACL in 2018. Prior to this, he was already known as being injury probe yet was given a 3 year contract, subsequently extended by another year in 2020 prior to busting his knee for a second time. None of this makes sense. Conceivably, he will have been a senior listed player who has played 3-4 AFL games in 5 years. For many of those years, we have had a ruck crisis and realistically, we could be plunged into that crisis again with Hickey running around with no PCL.

                                This has been badly managed by the club, no two ways about it.

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