Brownlow Thread (2021)

[liz]

2012 was a weak draft outside the top 10. Arguably the most successful player selected after Towers we also drafted: Membrey.

I came to the same conclusion after looking at that draft, though McIntosh is also in the frame (and well ahead in terms of team success). It was a pretty ordinary draft outside the first round. And even the first round had more than its share of total misses.

[Meg]

Congratulations to Mills. Leading vote getter for the Swannies. If he didn't go to a rugby game I think he would have got a few more votes.

And if Mills didn’t go to the rugby game he wouldn’t have spent 14 days in a hotel room, and if he didn’t spend 14 days in a hotel room his Achilles injury might not have flared up, and if his Achilles hadn’t flared up he would have played in the EF, and if Mills had played in the EF ....... [emoji2368] [emoji22]

Lol. have to be content with his 14 Brownlow votes ....

[MattW]

And if Mills didn’t go to the rugby game he wouldn’t have spent 14 days in a hotel room, and if he didn’t spend 14 days in a hotel room his Achilles injury might not have flared up, and if his Achilles hadn’t flared up he would have played in the EF, and if Mills had played in the EF ....... [emoji2368] [emoji22]

Lol. have to be content with his 14 Brownlow votes ....

You'd think it'd motivate Callum for next season to make amends. Also, given his voting record last night, if he's fit next season he'll be a contender for this award.

[lwjoyner]

why did bont get so many and mcrae so few. Mcrae topped well ovber 30 touahes in many if not most games.

[Roadrunner]

Ollie wines drafted in the same draft as Dean towers.

Don’t knock Dean- no player patted his teammates after a score than him! Holds the all time record for sure.

[longmile]

Ollie Wines one of the most average players to win the brownlow?

Like he's obviously a decent player but lacks the x factor of a lot of past winners.

[Aprilbr]

It was a shame that we did not get to see Swans players at the Count like we normally do. Apart from Parker, who must have had a camera at his house, I can only recall see a tiny image of Heeney on that communal Zoom screen.

[barry]

Don’t knock Dean- no player patted his teammates after a score than him! Holds the all time record for sure.

I was a big fan of Dean Towers back in the day. In a retrospective draft I think Towers would become in from pick 22 to probably around pick 14.


Brad johnson did a review of the 2012 draft in 2019.

ORIGINAL 2012 DRAFT

1. Lachie Whitfield (GWS)
2. Jonathan O’Rourke (GWS)
3. Lachie Plowman (GWS)
4. Jimmy Toumpas (Melbourne)
5. Jake Stringer (Western Bulldogs)
6. Jackson Macrae (Western Bulldogs)
7. Ollie Wines (Port Adelaide)
8. Sam Mayes (Brisbane)
9. Nick Vlastuin (Richmond)
10. Joe Daniher (Essendon)
11 Troy Menzel
12 Kristian Jaksch
13 Jesse Lonergan
14 Aidan Corr
15 Taylor Garner
16 Jackson Thurlow
17 Josh Simpson
18 Brodie Grundy
19 Ben Kennedy
20 Tim Broomhead
21 Nathan Hrovat
22 Dean Towers
23 Marco Paparone
24 Nathan Wright
25 Spencer White
26 Jack Viney
27 James Stewart
28 Tim O'Brien
29 Tom Clurey
30 Mason Shaw
31 Kamdyn McIntosh
32 Michael Close
33 Liam McBean
34 Jason Ashby
35 Tom Temay
36 Tanner Smith
37 Ben Jacobs
38 Jackson Ramsay
39 Max Duffy
40 Brodie Murdoch
41 Mason Wood
42 Matthew McDonough
43 Josh Saunders
44 Harrison Marsh
45 Brant Colledge
46 Tim Membrey
47 Mitchell Wilkins
48 Dean Kent
49 Lachie Hunter
50 Josh Prudden
51 Dylan Van Unen
52 Matt Jones
53 Martin Gleeson
54 Nick Graham
55 Tim Sumner
56 Daniel Currie
57 Kyal Horsley
58 Clay Cameron
59 Adam Carter
60 Mark Hutchings
61 Taylor Hine
62 Sam Siggins
64 Matthew Dick
66 Kaiden Brand
68 Dean Terlich
70 Michael Osborne
81 Rory Atkins.

BRAD JOHNSON’S 2012 TOP 10 (from 2019)

1. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood)
2. Lachie Whitfield (GWS)
3. Jackson Macrae (Western Bulldogs)
4. Nick Vlastuin (Richmond)
5. Ollie Wines (Port Adelaide)
6. Jack Viney (Melbourne)
7. Jake Stringer (Essendon via Western Bulldogs)
8. Lachie Hunter (Western Bulldogs)
9. Joe Daniher (Essendon)
10. Rory Atkins (Adelaide)


My revised top 15:

1. Ollie Wines - The only one to win a brownlow, so he's first
2. Lachie Whitfield
3. Brodie Grundy
4. Lachie Hunter
5. Nick Vlastin
6. Jackson Mcrae
7. Jake Stringer
8. Joe Daniher
9. Rory Atkins
10. Jack Viney
11. Tim Membrey
12. Aidan Corr ?
13. Josh Simpson
14. Dean Towers
15. Troy Menzel.

[i'm-uninformed2]

why did bont get so many and mcrae so few. Mcrae topped well ovber 30 touahes in many if not most games.

It was silly, but I didn't mind - it meant the Bont got so agonisingly close, only to see it snatched away.

An exact replica of what I hope happens Saturday night and I wanna see up close shots of the heart break on the face of him and his team mates.

[stevoswan]

Can’t believe dom sheed polled 1 vote in the game where we won by 92. Seems suss

That is truly bizarre.....and says a lot about the umpires 'attitude' towards the our team. Just gobsmacking.....

[liz]

That is truly bizarre.....and says a lot about the umpires 'attitude' towards the our team. Just gobsmacking.....

I went and looked at the stats. He did have a lot of possessions and topped the Dreamtime (name?) score. But I think a lot of that was just useless short possessions in the Eagles' back half.

I listened to the first few minutes of the Damo and Nat podcast on the AFL site this morning. They mentioned that the umpires now have access to the match stats before they cast their votes. That may explain - in part - why the mids who get huge amounts of ball dominate the votes nowadays, even if, sometimes, their impact isn't borne out by possession numbers.

(It doesn't entirely explain away the current day dominance of the Brownlow by midfielders because, as that podcast also points out, pretty much every other award, including the AFLCA award, is also dominated by midfielders.)

[TheBloods]

TB, who are you referring to...? I will assume Chad and... Hickey? Or Errol??

Gulden and Chad

[NeonBible]

I went and looked at the stats. He did have a lot of possessions and topped the Dreamtime (name?) score. But I think a lot of that was just useless short possessions in the Eagles' back half.

I listened to the first few minutes of the Damo and Nat podcast on the AFL site this morning. They mentioned that the umpires now have access to the match stats before they cast their votes. That may explain - in part - why the mids who get huge amounts of ball dominate the votes nowadays, even if, sometimes, their impact isn't borne out by possession numbers.

(It doesn't entirely explain away the current day dominance of the Brownlow by midfielders because, as that podcast also points out, pretty much every other award, including the AFLCA award, is also dominated by midfielders.)

Hi Liz,

I thought about this too, and came to a reasonable conclusion I hope.

The disparity between a midfielders dominant games and quiet games is a lot less than say a key forward or a defender or a small forward.

A midfielder who averages 30 possessions like Macrae or Wines could have a "quiet game" by their standards and only get 20-25. That could still be enough to net them a vote here and there. But a forward needs to regularly get a bag of goals to poll consistent votes, because 4.1 looks very different to 1.1.

[Sandridge]

It was silly, but I didn't mind - it meant the Bont got so agonisingly close, only to see it snatched away.

An exact replica of what I hope happens Saturday night and I wanna see up close shots of the heart break on the face of him and his team mates.

I'm with you 100%. The worry is that if the GF is as close as the Brownlow, the umpires might become involved and get the Poodles over the line.

Go Dees!!! Please put the Poodles to sleep!!

[stevoswan]

I'm with you 100%. The worry is that if the GF is as close as the Brownlow, the umpires might become involved and get the Poodles over the line.

Go Dees!!! Please put the Poodles to sleep!!

I'm hoping the 'breaking the drought' fairytale which got the Pups over the line in 2016 gets the Dees over the line this year. It shouldn't be this way but if the Dogs get robbed and the Dees win.....it will be sweet sweet karma!

Then we can witness the self unaware hypocrisy from Fairypup fans as they cry "We were robbed!"