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  • Ralph Dawg
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2018
    • 1729

    #31
    Originally posted by Roadrunner
    I’m sorry but I don’t agree. A forward’s job first and foremost is to score or assist in scoring. His secondary job is to help in defence if his team needs this. With Paps, he always gets one of the best defenders and as long as he kicks and/or assists in a bagful, I don’t care if his man runs off him.

    I appreciate Wicks’ s defensive play, but wish he would impact more with scoring- scoreboard pressure is the best pressure you can exert on your opposition!
    I agree with you to a point. The best small forwards such as Cyril and Eddie could destroy you by kicking or setting up bags of goals such that it really didn't matter what they did in defence. However, it's very rare for a team to have more than one of these guys at a time (Paps is our equivalent). I suspect Wicks lacks that X factor to do this and needs to contribute in other ways, especially defensively given how much attack is now generated off the rebound. His output did drop as the season progressed but he certainly showed alot more than the other options (Ronke, Taylor, Bell, Gray). We could play a mid in his position (Errol, Campbell, Stephens, Rowbottom, Chad) but suspect that they would struggle to impact much more and / or be wasted in the position. If Wicks can tidy up his goal kicking, he's best 22.

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    • wolftone57
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2008
      • 5861

      #32
      Originally posted by Roadrunner
      I’m sorry but I don’t agree. A forward’s job first and foremost is to score or assist in scoring. His secondary job is to help in defence if his team needs this. With Paps, he always gets one of the best defenders and as long as he kicks and/or assists in a bagful, I don’t care if his man runs off him.

      I appreciate Wicks’ s defensive play, but wish he would impact more with scoring- scoreboard pressure is the best pressure you can exert on your opposition!
      Agree with scoreboard pressure. Disagree about forward pressure. Creating forward pressure forces the opposition into errors or just banging long. This gives our players up the ground chances to intercept. By doing this forwards get more opportunity at goal without having to win the ball back out of the back line and therefore being under pressure.

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      • Roadrunner
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2018
        • 1481

        #33
        Originally posted by wolftone57
        Agree with scoreboard pressure. Disagree about forward pressure. Creating forward pressure forces the opposition into errors or just banging long. This gives our players up the ground chances to intercept. By doing this forwards get more opportunity at goal without having to win the ball back out of the back line and therefore being under pressure.

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        Fair enough Wolftone. I guess Wicks did this but fell away towards the end of the year- maybe he needed a bit of a rest.
        Also, he needs to improve his goal kicking and give away fewer frees! But I agree at this stage he is ahead of the others, as mentioned above by Ralph.

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        • TheBloods
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Feb 2020
          • 2047

          #34
          Originally posted by Roadrunner
          I’m sorry but I don’t agree. A forward’s job first and foremost is to score or assist in scoring. His secondary job is to help in defence if his team needs this. With Paps, he always gets one of the best defenders and as long as he kicks and/or assists in a bagful, I don’t care if his man runs off him.

          I appreciate Wicks’ s defensive play, but wish he would impact more with scoring- scoreboard pressure is the best pressure you can exert on your opposition!
          Maybe its his pressure and defensive play that is allowing others to score !

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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            #35
            Originally posted by Roadrunner

            I appreciate Wicks’ s defensive play, but wish he would impact more with scoring- scoreboard pressure is the best pressure you can exert on your opposition!
            Like some have suggested, I started re-watching games from this season. I've only just finished Round 1 v Brisbane. Wicks was tremendous offensively. He kicked 2 great goals. The second, a snap shot on the run from just inside 50; one of the goals of the year.

            Cyril was a great defensive forward and set up a lot of his offense by pressure and great tackling. Wicks plays with confidence. Sometimes overconfidence. He's like Papley in that respect. When he has the ball in range of goal, he feels he can kick it. He had a number of close misses this year. I think Wicks is more than just a defensive forward.

            It was fun watching the game. Gulden had a spectacular debut. Logan kicked 3. Mills and Heeney were stars. Rowbottom was injured in the 1st quarter but played out the game and played very well. No Franklin. No Hayward. No Jmac. No worries.

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            • Roadrunner
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2018
              • 1481

              #36
              Originally posted by Ludwig
              Like some have suggested, I started re-watching games from this season. I've only just finished Round 1 v Brisbane. Wicks was tremendous offensively. He kicked 2 great goals. The second, a snap shot on the run from just inside 50; one of the goals of the year.

              Cyril was a great defensive forward and set up a lot of his offense by pressure and great tackling. Wicks plays with confidence. Sometimes overconfidence. He's like Papley in that respect. When he has the ball in range of goal, he feels he can kick it. He had a number of close misses this year. I think Wicks is more than just a defensive forward.

              It was fun watching the game. Gulden had a spectacular debut. Logan kicked 3. Mills and Heeney were stars. Rowbottom was injured in the 1st quarter but played out the game and played very well. No Franklin. No Hayward. No Jmac. No worries.
              If Wicks can get anywhere near Cyril, I think we would all be very happy. He certainly showed this potential in the early games this year, but like others re-watching our games, particularly our great wins, I think his form fell away as the season wore on. Of course it was a very difficult year for our players and so I think he could have been”managed” like some of our other youngsters. Hopefully next year he will recapture the form he showed against the Lions and Tigers as I’m sure he has the ability.

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              • The Runner
                Regular in the Side
                • May 2017
                • 718

                #37
                Originally posted by TheBloods
                Maybe its his pressure and defensive play that is allowing others to score !
                Agreed

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                • rickmat
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 500

                  #38
                  Haven't seen anything from the Swans to announce when training starts!!!!

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                  • Mountain Man
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 910

                    #39
                    And, as usual, the player information is not updated.

                    How difficult is it to follow up a delisting with an agreed list of actions: clear the locker, hand back the security keys, update the Player profiles etc.

                    We are a well run Club, and I expect more after SO many years of inaction on this

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                    • chalbilto
                      Senior Player
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 1139

                      #40
                      Originally posted by rickmat
                      Haven't seen anything from the Swans to announce when training starts!!!!
                      It appears that training will resume around the 22nd November with Warner and Logan training and staying in W.A. until after the Christmas beak, due to the covid restrictions imposed by Emperor McGowan.

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                      • wolftone57
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 5861

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Ludwig
                        Like some have suggested, I started re-watching games from this season. I've only just finished Round 1 v Brisbane. Wicks was tremendous offensively. He kicked 2 great goals. The second, a snap shot on the run from just inside 50; one of the goals of the year.

                        Cyril was a great defensive forward and set up a lot of his offense by pressure and great tackling. Wicks plays with confidence. Sometimes overconfidence. He's like Papley in that respect. When he has the ball in range of goal, he feels he can kick it. He had a number of close misses this year. I think Wicks is more than just a defensive forward.

                        It was fun watching the game. Gulden had a spectacular debut. Logan kicked 3. Mills and Heeney were stars. Rowbottom was injured in the 1st quarter but played out the game and played very well. No Franklin. No Hayward. No Jmac. No worries.
                        The only thing that stopped Wicks being a gun forward was accuracy
                        17.18

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                        • wolftone57
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 5861

                          #42
                          Originally posted by TheBloods
                          Maybe its his pressure and defensive play that is allowing others to score !
                          If he had kicked accurately he may have kicked 25 which is a pretty good return. But as it was he kicked 17.18

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                          • wolftone57
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 5861

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man
                            And, as usual, the player information is not updated.

                            How difficult is it to follow up a delisting with an agreed list of actions: clear the locker, hand back the security keys, update the Player profiles etc.

                            We are a well run Club, and I expect more after SO many years of inaction on this
                            All clubs are the same. It is not done by the club apparently. It is done by the AFL. News content is provided by the club, after AFL approval. But player profiles and that sort of thing are updated by the AFL according to my source

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                            • The Runner
                              Regular in the Side
                              • May 2017
                              • 718

                              #44
                              Originally posted by wolftone57
                              If he had kicked accurately he may have kicked 25 which is a pretty good return. But as it was he kicked 17.18

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                              The thing with Wicks, is he never missed by much. Often they were shots that faded on the way to goal. Generally this happens with a tired kick that lacks penetration.
                              Another pre season and adjusting to the fitness level required at AFL level, I expect Wicks to have a more consistent year with higher quality goal kicking.

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                              • Meg
                                Go Swannies!
                                Site Admin
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 4828

                                #45
                                Originally posted by wolftone57
                                All clubs are the same. It is not done by the club apparently. It is done by the AFL. News content is provided by the club, after AFL approval. But player profiles and that sort of thing are updated by the AFL according to my source

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                                Thank you, that is my understanding also, but because I have no definitive source I haven’t posted to that effect in the past.

                                All the clubs’ websites and apps appear to be run centrally. The formats are all identical and identical to that of the AFL’s own website.

                                And as you say, it certainly appears as if the updating for all clubs is done centrally. For example, I just checked the player info on the Crows app, and very quickly came to profile info for Ben Davis - who was delisted in October.

                                So I think we should lay off lambasting the Swans on this topic. And perhaps start lambasting the AFL .... because it is frustrating for supporters.

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