Chatting about Chad

[TheBloods]

I think we all agree that TheBloods predictions on Warner have been spot on....he is a potential gun. On the other bone of contention, Rowbottom, I think it's fair to say that we hope TB's predictions on him are wrong and that he also becomes the gun most of us think he will....if only to have two guns to help us win our next flag.....as opposed to being able to say 'We told you so'.....but I might do that too.

Time will tell....

I would not say i told you so because its not like i made a clever prediction , its an obvious one . Its not even just me , i have read 3 articles in the last month saying he should be a tagger . Unless those neutrals have it out for him too then the writing is on the wall and putting bigger expectations on him than what his ability is will only lead to disappointment for you lot and for James himself .

[Mark26]

I would not say i told you so because its not like i made a clever prediction , its an obvious one . Its not even just me , i have read 3 articles in the last month saying he should be a tagger . Unless those neutrals have it out for him too then the writing is on the wall and putting bigger expectations on him than what his ability is will only lead to disappointment for you lot and for James himself .

Links to the articles? I'd like to read the opinions of the host who are in your corner.

[i'm-uninformed2]

I would not say i told you so because its not like i made a clever prediction , its an obvious one . Its not even just me , i have read 3 articles in the last month saying he should be a tagger . Unless those neutrals have it out for him too then the writing is on the wall and putting bigger expectations on him than what his ability is will only lead to disappointment for you lot and for James himself .

Let’s just indulge this for a minute.

First, Brett Kirk says hello.

Second, even the best midfielders have strong defensive instincts. When the opposition is on a roll, would you rather have the Bulldogs midfield who let their opponents run amok in the GF or dare I say it, the Chad who gave up two of the softest goals imaginable from stoppages in the GWS final. Or would you rather have the Rowbottom effort to scrap and claw and batter us back into contention in the same final. I seem to remember even you acknowledging it on the day.

Now, for what it’s worth I think Chad’s a great young player who was under cooked, unaccustomed to finals and will learn a hard lesson. He’ll be sweet long term.

But let’s not pretend a bloke occasionally prepared to stop the opposition in the contest when it’s needed has no value. I reckon every AFL coach would think otherwise.

[TheBloods]

Let’s just indulge this for a minute.

First, Brett Kirk says hello.

Second, even the best midfielders have strong defensive instincts. When the opposition is on a roll, would you rather have the Bulldogs midfield who let their opponents run amok in the GF or dare I say it, the Chad who gave up two of the softest goals imaginable from stoppages in the GWS final. Or would you rather have the Rowbottom effort to scrap and claw and batter us back into contention in the same final. I seem to remember even you acknowledging it on the day.

Now, for what it’s worth I think Chad’s a great young player who was under cooked, unaccustomed to finals and will learn a hard lesson. He’ll be sweet long term.

But let’s not pretend a bloke occasionally prepared to stop the opposition in the contest when it’s needed has no value. I reckon every AFL coach would think otherwise.

They werent saying occasionally , and they werent saying defensive . They were saying he should be a stopper . that is very different to a defensive mid. Parker , Joey, ROK are outstanding defensively , they werent stoppers though . That is for players who sorry to say dont have much else to offer a midfield.

[Bangalore Swans]

They werent saying occasionally , and they werent saying defensive . They were saying he should be a stopper . that is very different to a defensive mid. Parker , Joey, ROK are outstanding defensively , they werent stoppers though . That is for players who sorry to say dont have much else to offer a midfield

I used to like Cameron Ling as a defensive midfielder. Ling and Goodes had some outstanding battles.

Maybe Rowbottom can emulate Ling. When fit he’s strong, powerful, tackles well and hits in hard.

[TheBloods]

I used to like Cameron Ling as a defensive midfielder. Ling and Goodes had some outstanding battles.

Maybe Rowbottom can emulate Ling. When fit he’s strong, powerful, tackles well and hits in hard.

Its his best bet at making it . He has a fantastic tackling technique , grabs the arms of the player and pins it in . Means the ball is knocked out instead of having to drag him down with brute strength . (Not saying hes not strong ) Even so it will be tough for him , coaches might want a tagger but not if it comes at the expense of midfield minutes for Parker Mills Heeney Chad Gulden Florent Campbell Jmac etc . Hearing that we are drafting a mid now so could be another one who goes past him . Like i said he was mad for re-signing with us for so long , but its done now . Hes a loyal lad , hope he makes it somehow .

[mcs]

Thank goodness there is a dedicated thread for the oracle on high to profess the bible for another summer onto the unholy unwashed of RWO.

Only how many months is it until the whining can start about the first pre-season game where this player or that player didn't face mecca while spending 4 microseconds too long with hands on their knees.....

It's funny that sometimes we all get sucked into rating potential over actual ability & performances. There was a excellent article written a few weeks back ( appeared on here as well ) about how many seasoned players 23-27 years of age are available that are actually far better value than some young draftee's who have "enormous potential " Not pointing out Chad here by any means ( he will make it no doubt ) but holding on to "potential " and even resigning hoping the player we hope will emerge thereby ignoring a experienced player that we know what we are getting , is fraught with danger.An example for us would be holding on to a Rohan or a Towers even Rose but having better luck with a cheaper proven player like Mitch Morton.

It is always an interesting point - and I always find it interesting that more clubs don't take chances on mature draftees from the 2nd tier competitions. Not expecting half a list to suddenly be made up of players recruited at 23/24 or the like, but it does suprise me that there is not more targeting of seasoned 'ready to go' players, both from other AFL lists and some of the standout footballers in the lower divisions, then forever in a day pinning hopes on the next youngster to walk through the doors.

There is such uncertainty in the early years of careers for the overwhelming majority of players - even many of the very best players in our game at times have taken a long time to ever show their true quality or worth.

[Faunac8]

I can’t believe that a special Chad loving thread was created to indulge some of the posters on here and still it ends up being a place where one posters opinions on the shortcomings of a completely different player dominate.
I don’t think there is anyone on this forum who has any doubt as to that persons point of view so could they possibly stop voicing it over and over and over etc ?
It would however be interesting to read the 3 articles mentioned as this might provide some insight into the reasoning behind turning him into a tagger from other impartial sources.

[Faunac8]

Well I do hope he delivers on your expectations however I think that the coaching staff are probably going to be a little more restrained and realistic with theirs given that he is only 20 years old.
As Ludwig quite rightly said let’s give him a few years to develop and build his case for some fan adulation.
I seem to recall when he was drafted plenty of posters were excited about his potential so it’s not simply a case of only 1 or 2 being onboard right from the start.
Personally I have high hopes that every player we draft is a potential superstar until it becomes apparent that I am going to have to reevaluate and recalibrate my expectations ????

Actually I was wrong I went back to have a look at the drafting and trading thread from then and the general feeling about his selection was fairly underwhelming. The excitement was all about Stephens Taylor and Gould and a couple of posters suggested that it was a wasted pick that should have been used on Jay Rantall, who incidentally was delisted by Collingwood this year.
Some posters felt that lacked speed but could be a good in and under midfielder and others even suggested he could be a good small defender ????
Most however felt that we had our reasons for drafting him and trusted that the club knew what they were doing , no one on that thread at least that I saw suggested that he would reach the heights that have been recently predicted.

[TheBloods]

I can’t believe that a special Chad loving thread was created to indulge some of the posters on here and still it ends up being a place where one posters opinions on the shortcomings of a completely different player dominate.
I don’t think there is anyone on this forum who has any doubt as to that persons point of view so could they possibly stop voicing it over and over and over etc ?
It would however be interesting to read the 3 articles mentioned as this might provide some insight into the reasoning behind turning him into a tagger from other impartial sources.

Its part of the discussion , they are both playing for a midfield spot and there might only be one . Its a fair comparison , if you dont like my take on it then tell me why and give me your reasons or what points i made that you disagreed with , ibut comments like this and mcs above are antagonistic and not on topic at all.

I dont know how to link articles , last time i tried i stuffed up the thread . 2 were on Mongrel punt and 1 was in the Age either during or just after the trade period talking about Hewett leaving .

[Faunac8]

Its part of the discussion , they are both playing for a midfield spot and there might only be one . Its a fair comparison , if you dont like my take on it then tell me why and give me your reasons or what points i made that you disagreed with , ibut comments like this and mcs above are antagonistic and not on topic at all.

I dont know how to link articles , last time i tried i stuffed up the thread . 2 were on Mongrel punt and 1 was in the Age either during or just after the trade period talking about Hewett leaving .

How many times do you need to have people provide reasons for their opposing point of view ?
This whole season people have done so by providing you with statistics , analysis and opinions that address many of your negative comments.
You have continually dismissed them because you don’t agree with them or they don’t fit your narrative which is your prerogative and as I said I think we all know where you stand. I think on one occasion your comment was along the lines of statistics don’t actually matter!
This thread is titled all things Chad not why Chad is better than James and that James is a player with limited skills that will be lucky to get a game next year. Why not see if you can stick to that subject ?

[Bangalore Swans]

How many times do you need to have people provide reasons for their opposing point of view ?
This whole season people have done so by providing you with statistics , analysis and opinions that address many of your negative comments.
You have continually dismissed them because you don’t agree with them or they don’t fit your narrative which is your prerogative and as I said I think we all know where you stand. I think on one occasion your comment was along the lines of statistics don’t actually matter!
This thread is titled all things Chad not why Chad is better than James and that James is a player with limited skills that will be lucky to get a game next year. Why not see if you can stick to that subject ?

TheBloods in his analysis has a great feel for the intangibles of the game.

Brett Kirk getting a kick is different to Jordan Dawson getting a kick.

Chad getting a kick is different to Rowbottom getting a kick. The reality being that Chad has probably burst through a pack, broke a line or danced his way through. This opens up the who ground.

These are the intangibles.

[Faunac8]

TheBloods in his analysis has a great feel for the intangibles of the game.

Brett Kirk getting a kick is different to Jordan Dawson getting a kick.

Chad getting a kick is different to Rowbottom getting a kick. The reality being that Chad has probably burst through a pack, broke a line or danced his way through. This opens up the who ground.

These are the intangibles.

Really I had no idea sorry for my ignorance
PS do you ever read the posts of others apart from your professed oracles? It’s just that you seem to completely miss the point that some of us are trying to communicate.

[TheBloods]

How many times do you need to have people provide reasons for their opposing point of view ?
This whole season people have done so by providing you with statistics , analysis and opinions that address many of your negative comments.
You have continually dismissed them because you don’t agree with them or they don’t fit your narrative which is your prerogative and as I said I think we all know where you stand. I think on one occasion your comment was along the lines of statistics don’t actually matter!
This thread is titled all things Chad not why Chad is better than James and that James is a player with limited skills that will be lucky to get a game next year. Why not see if you can stick to that subject ?

Ok understood . I thought i was sticking to the subject , i think you cant talk about Chad without talking about RB and vice versa . They are the two young mids we rotated in and out of the midfield this yr and that will be the case again next yr . Its hard to talk up Chad and what he brings to the table without acknowledging what it means for RB's value to the team . But duly noted , you and others find the comparison un fair and you want me to stick to talking up Chad without mentioning RB . That is easy , i can do that as im a huge Chad fan , as long as you promise not to take the mickey out of me for it . Deal ?

[Ludwig]

The capital of Chad is N'Djamena.

This is their flag.