Rd 2 vs Geelong Cats @ SCG - Match Thread

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  • bloodspirit
    Clubman
    • Apr 2015
    • 4448

    I've been wanting to make a comment about Paddy McCartin's game. I was impressed by his 5 intercepts in the first quarter too but am not talking him up as much as others. The reason for this is that people seem to be overlooking that he was played in the spare defender/intercepting role and wasn't given much of an accountable role. Tom McCartin mostly played on Hawkins, and Rampe mostly played on Cameron. But in that first quarter in particular when he took all those intercepts, Paddy was not manning up on anyone: instead he was standing in the middle of the defence but between all the other defenders and attackers waiting and watching for the ball to come in and to pick it off without worrying about any direct opponent. That no doubt contributed significantly to his success in intercepting so many kicks. I know because I was sitting right behind Paddy and the goals in Bay 245 of the Noble Stand (somewhere near Mel by the sounds of it) while this was happening. After that quarter I didn't notice or pay as much attention to McCartin but I am confident about that time period because I was watching him closely and counting the intercepts as they happened.

    So, in short: yes, good effort - but less spectacular when you consider that that was clearly exactly the role he was given and he didn't have to keep an attacker accountable.
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    • i'm-uninformed2
      Reefer Madness
      • Oct 2003
      • 4653

      Looks like the coaches agree with you on Paddy, and his brother.

      Heeney's five earns full votes from coaches
      'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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      • bloodspirit
        Clubman
        • Apr 2015
        • 4448

        Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
        Looks like the coaches agree with you on Paddy, and his brother.

        Heeney's five earns full votes from coaches
        Very interesting votes - each coach gave two votes to a different McCartin brother. I'd be surprised if Chris Scott was commending Tom McCartin's work - it's more likely that he was impressed by the many intercepts that Paddy took early and that probably led to a change in tactics by the Cats so that he had less influence on the rest of the game. So, I think it was the inside knowledge of the role Tom was playing that has led the Swans to give Tom two votes. But I'm not completely confident. Again, I tend to think we were more likely to have given a vote to Errol than to Warner because Warner's contribution was flashier and more apparent. Still the opposing coaches also have a penetrating analysis I'm sure, so it could be the other way around.
        All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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        • Ruck'n'Roll
          Ego alta, ergo ictus
          • Nov 2003
          • 3990

          Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
          Ludwig has great knowledge of the ruck craft.
          Yes, I think of Ludwig as the penultimate ruck authority on RWO.

          - - - Updated - - -

          Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
          Heeney had a go in the leadership group, but as I understand it, was apparently happier being an informal leader.
          I suspect Isaac will appeal to the marketing department when the Swans finally go post Buddy.

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          • Markwebbos
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2016
            • 7186

            Ludwig = Ruckstradamus

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            • Ruck'n'Roll
              Ego alta, ergo ictus
              • Nov 2003
              • 3990

              Maybe within RWO 2022 (there are some funny opinions in situ) but until the Sydney Morning Herald quotes your opinion on the Swans rucks, that's the extent.

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              • Bexl
                Regular in the Side
                • Jan 2003
                • 817

                LeSwan James
                @CheerCheer37
                James Rowbottom after two games is ranked sixth in the league for tackles (14), third for pressure acts (57) and LEADS THE LEAGUE for defensive half pressure acts (32)????

                I saw this on twitter and thought some people ( 1 in particular ) might find it interesting and informative.

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                • Mark26
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2017
                  • 1535

                  Originally posted by Markwebbos
                  Ludwig = Ruckstradamus
                  Also known as the former legend of the leap, the tower of taps, Mr Derickx.

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    The CBAs are in for the game:

                    CBA’s – Round 2 Game 2 – Sydney 31 – Tom Hickey 24, Callum Mills 19, James Rowbottom 17, Oliver Florent 16, Chad Warner 15, Luke Parker 14, Hayden McLean 7, Isaac Heeney 6, Errol Gulden 6

                    It appears that we are going with a main rotation of 5 midfielders. Surprised that JPK didn't attend a single CB. I'm sure Longmire loves him, and is trying his best to keep him in the side, but is struggling to find a place for him in the current game plan.

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                    • TheBloods
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Feb 2020
                      • 2047

                      Originally posted by Ludwig
                      The CBAs are in for the game:

                      CBA’s – Round 2 Game 2 – Sydney 31 – Tom Hickey 24, Callum Mills 19, James Rowbottom 17, Oliver Florent 16, Chad Warner 15, Luke Parker 14, Hayden McLean 7, Isaac Heeney 6, Errol Gulden 6

                      It appears that we are going with a main rotation of 5 midfielders. Surprised that JPK didn't attend a single CB. I'm sure Longmire loves him, and is trying his best to keep him in the side, but is struggling to find a place for him in the current game plan.
                      He doesnt need to try and keep Joey in the side . He is a leader and a champion and a good player still . He will be in the side . Maybe he is done this year , or gets the tap on the shoulder when the season is wrapped up . But until then horse loves him and will pick him in any position he wants , same with Hewett . Loved him , played him wherever he could to keep him in the side then re assessed at years end .

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                      • Aprilbr
                        Senior Player
                        • Oct 2016
                        • 1803

                        Originally posted by Ludwig
                        The CBAs are in for the game:

                        CBA’s – Round 2 Game 2 – Sydney 31 – Tom Hickey 24, Callum Mills 19, James Rowbottom 17, Oliver Florent 16, Chad Warner 15, Luke Parker 14, Hayden McLean 7, Isaac Heeney 6, Errol Gulden 6

                        It appears that we are going with a main rotation of 5 midfielders. Surprised that JPK didn't attend a single CB. I'm sure Longmire loves him, and is trying his best to keep him in the side, but is struggling to find a place for him in the current game plan.
                        Very interesting figures there, Ludwig. The total omission of JPK is very interesting. Going forwardwhen fit, I would predict that Papps will attend a few like Heeney as will Mcinnerny. Its still not a large rotation. Will someone else emerge this season to take some time in the middle eg one of the new draftees?

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                        • Bangalore Swans
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Mar 2021
                          • 1049

                          Originally posted by Aprilbr
                          Very interesting figures there, Ludwig. The total omission of JPK is very interesting. Going forwardwhen fit, I would predict that Papps will attend a few like Heeney as will Mcinnerny. Its still not a large rotation. Will someone else emerge this season to take some time in the middle eg one of the new draftees?
                          Papley in my opinion is the Swans best player at the Centre Square Ball Ups. He wins so many clearances in there and propels the Swans forward. His combination of pace, physical strength, ability to anticipate, tackling ability and intensity make him very hard to stop in an open environment where the opposition can’t block the space.

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                          • Goal Sneak
                            Out of Bounds on the Full
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 653

                            Originally posted by Ludwig
                            The CBAs are in for the game:

                            CBA’s – Round 2 Game 2 – Sydney 31 – Tom Hickey 24, Callum Mills 19, James Rowbottom 17, Oliver Florent 16, Chad Warner 15, Luke Parker 14, Hayden McLean 7, Isaac Heeney 6, Errol Gulden 6

                            It appears that we are going with a main rotation of 5 midfielders. Surprised that JPK didn't attend a single CB. I'm sure Longmire loves him, and is trying his best to keep him in the side, but is struggling to find a place for him in the current game plan.
                            The match committee certainly seem spooked to put Joey into the centre square. It's still experimental at this stage and a lot will depend on how others go throughout the year (They're doing very well so far). I reckon Josh is aware of his place in the team right now and fully understood when he signed on again that if these kids continued on the same trajectory, he might find it hard to keep a spot.

                            It's a long season and he'll prove his worth to the squad regardless of how many games (or where) he actually plays. Great signs that we can actually afford to approach these types of scenarios.

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                            • TheBloods
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Feb 2020
                              • 2047

                              Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
                              Papley in my opinion is the Swans best player at the Centre Square Ball Ups. He wins so many clearances in there and propels the Swans forward. His combination of pace, physical strength, ability to anticipate, tackling ability and intensity make him very hard to stop in an open environment where the opposition can’t block the space.
                              Dont need him though , we have Chad and Gulden at centre bounces , Florent too . Small mids with speed , Papley stays i50 at the talls feet .

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                              • giant
                                Veterans List
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 4731

                                Originally posted by Ludwig
                                The CBAs are in for the game:

                                CBA’s – Round 2 Game 2 – Sydney 31 – Tom Hickey 24, Callum Mills 19, James Rowbottom 17, Oliver Florent 16, Chad Warner 15, Luke Parker 14, Hayden McLean 7, Isaac Heeney 6, Errol Gulden 6

                                It appears that we are going with a main rotation of 5 midfielders. Surprised that JPK didn't attend a single CB. I'm sure Longmire loves him, and is trying his best to keep him in the side, but is struggling to find a place for him in the current game plan.
                                Where perchance do you find these fabbo stats?

                                Noticed that they've been using both JPK (more last week than round 1) and Heeney on the wing than in the square - not sure if this is a recognition of their limitations in at the CB or that their physicality is better used coming off the wing.

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