Round 4: the other games. Am I looking at this the right way up?

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  • dejavoodoo44
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2015
    • 8491

    #61
    Upset brewing on the Gold Coast. Suns 42-20 up halfway through the second. Miller, Anderson, Davies and Rowell dominating the clearances. Cripps subbed off with a hamstring.

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    • stevoswan
      Veterans List
      • Sep 2014
      • 8543

      #62
      Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
      Upset brewing on the Gold Coast. Suns 42-20 up halfway through the second. Miller, Anderson, Davies and Rowell dominating the clearances. Cripps subbed off with a hamstring.
      Go Suns.....they win and we're fifth.

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      • Kafka's Ghost
        Regular in the Side
        • Sep 2017
        • 899

        #63
        St Kilda doing a total job on Hawthorn.


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        • dejavoodoo44
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2015
          • 8491

          #64
          Originally posted by Kafka's Ghost
          St Kilda doing a total job on Hawthorn.


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          Haven't seen any of the game, but it seems like Hawthorn are now playing the way I expected them to play this year.

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          • liz
            Veteran
            Site Admin
            • Jan 2003
            • 16733

            #65
            St Kilda are demonstrating how premature it was to write them off after a loss to the Pies in round 1. They've been impressive since then (and the loss to Collingwood doesn't look so bad in the context of the Pies' improvement this season compared to last).

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              #66
              All 7 players on the Saints injury list are probably in their best 22, so they're playing with a much depleted side. Their execution hasn't been that sharp, but their work rate has been enormous, and their attack on the ball and the man, relentless. It shows that there are many roads to success. And if you simply out-work the other side, you're in with a pretty good chance of victory.

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16733

                #67
                Originally posted by Ludwig
                And if you simply out-work the other side, you're in with a pretty good chance of victory.
                While that's true on any given afternoon, it probably isn't sustainable over a whole season. Work smarter, not harder.

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                • Thunder Shaker
                  Aut vincere aut mori
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 4150

                  #68
                  Saints slaughtered Hawthorn, Port Adelaide on the bottom with no wins, Suns giving Carlton a serious reality check. This season is turning out to be quite interesting already.

                  On Port Adelaide's 0-4 streak, that is dire for their finals chances. Only one side has made finals after starting 0-3 since Port Adelaide joined the AFL in 1997 (Sydney Swans 2017, 0-6). I hope we beat them this year, we haven't beaten them since 2016.
                  "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                  • dejavoodoo44
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 8491

                    #69
                    Nice to see Carlton's bubble burst. And it's nice that McKay didn't just get a 50, for that Mathew Lloyd level of staging.

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                    • Sandridge
                      Outer wing, Lake Oval
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 2049

                      #70
                      Hawthorn's bad week just got a whole lot worse and Carlton got smashed! A wonderful way to end a weekend!

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                      • mcs
                        Travelling Swannie!!
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 8149

                        #71
                        I know we didn't play so well this weekend (but at least got the win), but I've thoroughly enjoyed many of the other results. Great to see some of the 'new age is coming' dribble out about teams like the Hawks, Collingwood etc start to drop back a little, and always funny to see Carlton be, well Carlton.
                        "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                        • Meg
                          Go Swannies!
                          Site Admin
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 4828

                          #72
                          Originally posted by mcs
                          I know we didn't play so well this weekend .......
                          That’s a nice way to put it .....

                          If we continue to play as we have done the last two weeks, then we may very well lose to some of those teams whose losses you enjoyed this weekend.

                          I hope we have just seen the last of a Swans bad patch.

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                          • mcs
                            Travelling Swannie!!
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 8149

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Meg
                            That’s a nice way to put it .....

                            If we continue to play as we have done the last two weeks, then we may very well lose to some of those teams whose losses you enjoyed this weekend.

                            I hope we have just seen the last of a Swans bad patch.
                            Absolutely Meg - we need to play much better of course.
                            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                            • neilfws
                              Senior Player
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 1818

                              #74
                              Like everyone else I was convinced by the Hawkins push on Friday night. And then I saw the slow motion replay in this article.

                              In that view both players do appear to be moving forward throughout the contest. Hawkins' right hand is on Harris' side, under his armpit and pushes to the side. His left hand isn't clearly visible much of the time but when it is, doesn't look open and flat and may not even have touched the back. The left arm doesn't seem to straighten in a pushing motion.

                              So I've gone from as outraged as everyone else to thinking, maybe the umpire was more right than wrong after all.

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                              • neilfws
                                Senior Player
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 1818

                                #75
                                Originally posted by mcs
                                Seen it suggested its the biggest differential in a match in AFL history. No idea if its correct but would be pretty close.
                                Not sure if I should amplify discussion about differentials but can't resist stats trivia.

                                It's a bit tricky to answer because historical free kick counts are a bit unreliable. There are none available publicly available prior to 1965, and some of the numbers at AFL Tables are a bit strange. Take this game for example, where the count seems to be 36-36, but frees against are missing in one table, making it look like 37-0. There are also cases where the count is different depending on which team you look at. So the home team might be 20 for, 16 against, but the away team is not 16 for, 20 against. I guess that can happen where a free isn't for or against a specific player.

                                Anyway - if we limit ourselves to games where the count makes sense in both directions (20-16 for one team = 16-20 for the other), we have 60-27 (+33) in Geelong's favour versus Carlton, round 17 in 1972.

                                There were a lot more frees per game in the 1970s - the mean and median is up in the seventies, compared with the mid-thirties today.

                                In the AFL era (1990 onwards), we have 44-18 (+26) in Carlton's favour versus Melbourne, round 10 in 1993.

                                If you want 2000 onwards: 38-15 (+23) in North Melbourne's favour versus Port Adelaide, round 6 in 2013.

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