Rnd 10 - Pre Match Thread - vs North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium, Saturday 20 May, 1:454 PM

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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16739

    #61
    Originally posted by neilfws
    There's a "games experience on the injury list" stat and indeed the Swans are bottom (or top) four, with 815. Eagles are 1982! But then Geelong are 1103, illustrating the danger of looking for simple explanations using single measures.

    The main difference between Geelong's injury list and ours is that theirs are mostly short-term and fairly recent (Jack Henry being the obvious exception). And I note that they lost last weekend with this injury list - to Richmond, hardly one of the form teams of the competition.

    The biggest problem with our injury list isn't sheer number - other clubs have similar length, or longer, injury lists. It's the concentration amongst tall players. At both ends of the ground.

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    • wolftone57
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2008
      • 5835

      #62
      There has been no announcement of anyone debuting this week. So, that means blooded player only into the team.

      Ladhams for Hickey obviously. It depends on when the Hickey delayed concussion was diagnosed as to whether Big Mac comes in or not. But seeing no debutant have been announced, I'd say not.

      Melican is now a good prospect for a return.

      Stephens and Sheldrick possible. Hall-Khan obviously not as no debutant have been announced.

      If Melican does play then he might be able to organise the backs.

      I am worried about our two way running. Our mids look shot by about 20 minutes into quarters and our forwards in the main do not chase. Only Will and Clarke. By the way Clarke is too slow at the moment to play on real speedsters. He has recovered from an injury and is only about 80% fitness.



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      • wolftone57
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2008
        • 5835

        #63
        Originally posted by liz
        The main difference between Geelong's injury list and ours is that theirs are mostly short-term and fairly recent (Jack Henry being the obvious exception). And I note that they lost last weekend with this injury list - to Richmond, hardly one of the form teams of the competition.

        The biggest problem with our injury list isn't sheer number - other clubs have similar length, or longer, injury lists. It's the concentration amongst tall players. At both ends of the ground.
        I believe our injury list is a fitness problem. All soft tissue, all hammies, calfs, ankle, knee soreness etc except Rampe.?He is always a different dude lol. Neck injury from putting his head over the ball and getting it almost knocked off and no free.

        Talls are more suceptible if not fully fit. Our program was very short this year due to starting later and we seemed to hit ball work very quickly. I don't know if that was something the coaches decided but I can't see the fitness coaches being happy about that. We are not hitting full fitness because of our injury list. Maybe full fitness was meant to be achieved after the bye?

        Other than Bud being ill, we have Bern playing with players who are obviously in distress. Paps has a shoulder problem, he keeps feeling the shoulder after impact. Heens is also struggling with a niggle. He is not moving smoothly and his approach to marking contests is constricted.

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        • Go Swannies
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2003
          • 5697

          #64
          Originally posted by neilfws
          There's a "games experience on the injury list" stat and indeed the Swans are bottom (or top) four, with 815. Eagles are 1982! But then Geelong are 1103, illustrating the danger of looking for simple explanations using single measures.

          Games experience on the available list is just as relevant of course - I guess Geelong go well on that score.
          To be fair, that Geelong experience of 1103 games could just be two of its players in their 40s.

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          • longmile
            Crumber
            • Apr 2011
            • 3362

            #65
            What a cluster @@@@!

            Out: Hickey, McDonald, Mills, Sheather
            In: Ladhams, McAndrew, Sheldrick, Stephens

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            • caj23
              Senior Player
              • Aug 2003
              • 2462

              #66
              Originally posted by wolftone57
              You are bagging one bloke after only 3 games in one of the worst teams in the comp? The ball comes into the backs so often and so fast that not even Alex Rance would be a good player. Not only that, there is little or no organisation in the backs since Rampe got injured. Tommy seems to give structure when he plays but even with him we lost. In fact in the?game before injury he was all at sea too.

              I would hate to be playing in our backs at the moment with the hoards of loose players streaming in there

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              The Big Cat is set against Gould, suggested we were tanking the other week when we selected him

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              • Foreign Legion
                Senior Player
                • Feb 2003
                • 3315

                #67
                Never seen so many injuries focused on big blokes - just no luck so far.

                I have long thought McAndrew might be one of those players who IMPROVES in the Seniors. Not really sure why I feel this but at his height he is very mobile. Just needs to take a few marks.

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                • Thunder Shaker
                  Aut vincere aut mori
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 4161

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                  The AFL does not have sufficient protection for particularly bad runs of injuries. This deficiency needs to be examined.
                  Originally posted by liz
                  What do you suggest? The most obvious solution would be to increase list sizes but this is contrary to the apparent push to reduce them. This idea has reared its head again in the context of how the Tasmanian team will be set up. But there's also a thought (likely emanating from the better paid players in the competition) that the better players should get more of the pie. And that means sharing it amongst fewer players.

                  Apparently this will be no big deal. Clubs will just have supplementary lists pulled from the state level competitions. Which is great for those clubs with strong pools of state league players to choose from. ie not the NSW clubs. I am not sure what the quality of the Suns' and Lions' VFL squads is like because they've not had to call on them much. Brisbane has had an excellent run with injury over the last couple of seasons, while the Suns still have an extended list as part of their recent concessions.
                  I'm not sure of the current rules, but something more formal with supplementary lists should be considered.

                  Last year, West Coast had such a bad bout of Covid-19 go through the side that they were forced to make many changes to the side and had to play some players from a supplementary list. This was a special rule for the Covid-19 pandemic, but something like this should become more permanent to cover bad runs of injuries or illnesses. I don't want to see a situation where a club has so many players out that they cannot field a full senior side of 23 players.
                  "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                  • Mountain Man
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 907

                    #69
                    One issue with our injury list being mostly KPP forwards and defenders is the knock-on effect of Time on Ground.

                    Typically, those players remain for 100% to mid 90%'s TOG. This is partly because they get regular rests when the ball is at the other end; and also because they tend to be the senior players with a number of pre-seasons in their fitness bank.

                    With the restrictions on rotations, our mids are getting fewer rest periods and shorter durations - with obvious consequences late in games

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                    • Mark26
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2017
                      • 1535

                      #70
                      So the big fella is getting his debut. I'm looking forward to see McAndrew play.

                      Good to see Stephens back in as well and Gould keeps his spot. A run of games should leave no doubt either way about his future. Ladham to assume primary ruck duties

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                      • liz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16739

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                        I'm not sure of the current rules, but something more formal with supplementary lists should be considered.

                        Last year, West Coast had such a bad bout of Covid-19 go through the side that they were forced to make many changes to the side and had to play some players from a supplementary list. This was a special rule for the Covid-19 pandemic, but something like this should become more permanent to cover bad runs of injuries or illnesses. I don't want to see a situation where a club has so many players out that they cannot field a full senior side of 23 players.
                        West Coast was the only team (I think) that got to call on its Covid supplementary list. But if you look at variation in quality of the lists that all the clubs submitted, you can see why some clubs would be severely disadvantaged, particularly if this came with a further reduction in the size of the official lists.

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                        • Aaron
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 805

                          #72
                          INS: Peter Ladhams, Lachlan McAndrew, Dylan Stephens
                          OUTS: Logan McDonald (injured), Callum Mills (injured), Tom Hickey (injured), Marc Sheather (injured)
                          Emergency: Edwards, Shedrick, Corey and Wicks ( No Melican)

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                          • wolftone57
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 5835

                            #73
                            It looks like we have taken the tall option.

                            Surprise, we do get a debut. I was almost certain because they had not pre-anbounced it we wouldn't.

                            Good, luck Lachy McAndrew (Big Mac) fully deserved. Averaging HO 30 & 18 Disposals at reserves level. He also averages about 4 tackles I think.

                            Ladhams? was always in if fit.

                            Stephens had second most disposals on a wing last week.

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                            • wolftone57
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                              • Aug 2008
                              • 5835

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Aaron
                              INS: Peter Ladhams, Lachlan McAndrew, Dylan Stephens
                              OUTS: Logan McDonald (injured), Callum Mills (injured), Tom Hickey (injured), Marc Sheather (injured)
                              Emergency: Edwards, Shedrick, Corey and Wicks ( No Melican)
                              I was sort of hoping they did not pick Melican yet. He has not had enough match practice after siluch a long layoff,

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                              • troyjones2525
                                Swans Fanatic!
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 2908

                                #75
                                Originally posted by 707
                                Seasons from Hell. We are not alone here, two very recent examples are Collingwood and Melbourne

                                Melbourne were beaten Prelim finalists in 2018, 17th in 2019, Premiers in 2021

                                Collingwood 2018-2020 were finalists, (in 2020 traded their future first to GWS for a three 20-30s picks inadvertently handing GWS pick 2) 2021 were 17th but bounced back last year to narrowly miss the GF

                                We are now done it appears so need to use the balance of this season to our future advantage, just like Melbourne and Collingwood did.
                                Ah yes, Melbourne having a down year in 2019 so what did they do? The went to the draft and selected Luke Jackson and Kozzie Pickett, two players who were important in their 2021 premiership side... incidentally we drafted Stephens that year... Ouch!

                                This just magnifies the importance of making your picks count at the top end of the draft and first round! Something I don't think we've exactly nailed in recent times.... hopefully we can do better this year.

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