Rd 10 vs North Melbourne @ Marvel - Match Thread

[waswan]

Voss must be looking at our team and going
"we will put Longmire on Rowy, thats working well"

[Bexl]

Coaches votes:
10 Luke Parker (SYD)
7 Bailey Scott (NMFC)
7 Jy Simpkin (NMFC)
2 Lance Franklin (SYD)
2 Chad Warner (SYD)
1 Todd Goldstein (NMFC)
1 Harry Sheezel (NMFC)

Seems about right. I thought Parker was clearly BOG. Vaguely surprised that Goldstein got a vote.

Are you kidding. he dominated the taps and we were thrashed in clearance's as a result.

[stevoswan]

It would have been a lot more had all the indescretions and throws been counted. Do any AFL players even bother to handball now? The umpires give the occasional free for a throw and it baffles me why they pick those out when they let go the last 1,000.

Absolutely. There's so much scope and opportunity in our game for 'result manipulation'.

[Bexl]

[QUOTE=. We butchered the ball a couple of times .[/QUOTE]

only a couple?

[stevoswan]

I think our coaching is overly structured and rigid. We get good players then we want to change them to suit our mould. If that is the case why not draft players who are in that mould? Mind you I think we would be an even worse team because players in that mould played 10 years ago.

Our coaches need to be more flexible. They need to use the talent at their disposal not try to change the talent to something they want. Use their abilities and incorporate that I your game plan. You can't lose just by trying. Trying to mould thrm to a style of play that is over 10 years old is not working.

We changed our play style 2 years ago and now we are back to what was happening before. Rowie is not a tagger he is a ball winner. Let him win ball. Blakey is not a KPP get him out of there and winning ball and distributing. He is in the way anyway. Stop trying to be fancy and get back to basic footy. Hard at the ball, hard at the man, hard to tackle. See ball, get ball, win clear. Think? Think? Don't bloody think just do. It's not an effing exam, it's footy. It's a simple game, so keep it simple.

We do seem very one dimensional....is Don Pyke not influencing our game plans anymore? I also agree with those who say Horse seems to not often have a Plan B but I would have thought Pyke could have had more influence in this area, as it seemed to be his arrival that changed the way we played two years ago.

[Ludwig]

At least part of the problem is that the coaches seem to have so little faith in the defensive unit that they are throwing extra numbers back there. It's not working. I doubt it ever works, unless it's a single player who is excellent at reading the play and taking a mark. More little blokes just means that none of them thinks they have responsibility for guarding opponents. They just stand and do nothing. And I suspect they get in each other's way when we're trying to move the ball out of our defence.

Meanwhile, we are outnumbered at contests further up the ground, which is part of the reason we are losing clearances. (Not centre clearances, obviously. This doesn't apply there.)

Regardless of personnel, I reckon they need to back in whoever is available to do their best, and keep the numbers in the middle of the ground better stocked.

Great analysis of our situation down back. I hope we go with your suggestion next match.

[Kafka's Ghost]

We do seem very one dimensional....is Don Pyke not influencing our game plans anymore? I also agree with those who say Horse seems to not often have a Plan B but I would have thought Pyke could have had more influence in this area, as it seemed to be his arrival that changed the way we played two years ago.

I’m of the belief that this “single dimension” aspect of our play is a reflection of how unstable the team has been. They’ve never been able to get used to the players around them in a structural sense. Especially in an inexperienced squad, this causes players to revert to very conservative tactics. In the second half of last year we had very few changes in the squad right up until the GF.


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[Mel_C]

To be fair to McAndrew, it was his first game against a very experienced ruckman in Goldstein, compounded with the loss of Ladhams. I thought that it was a good game by him.

Not blaming McAndrew at all. The midfield set up is the problem and it's been happening week after week. It seemed to get worse this game.

[waswan]

Only aspect that irratates me atm is the defensive minded midfield at stoppages.

Defense is severely undermanned, Forwards are undermanned and some appear to be played injured.
Cant help either of those scenarios.

Mids of late have lost a few which is hurting but not as much as the setup.
We had 4 guys get more than 2 clearances and one of them was McAndrew, they had heaps and at higher numbers.

Lets not pretend their midfield grunt is exceptional.

[Scottee]

We do seem very one dimensional....is Don Pyke not influencing our game plans anymore? I also agree with those who say Horse seems to not often have a Plan B but I would have thought Pyke could have had more influence in this area, as it seemed to be his arrival that changed the way we played two years ago.

I've been thinking the same thing. Horse has re-imposed his negative game plan. Bloody nuts.

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[Blood Fever]

I've been thinking the same thing. Horse has re-imposed his negative game plan. Bloody nuts.

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You mean the one where we play on at all costs and go for the hero kick into the corridor like we did for most of the game that I was at on Saturday?