R11 Sydney v Carlton at the SCG, The Marn Grook Game - Match Thread

[mcs]

We should probably be insulted that Carlton is taking losing to us as a sign of how bad they're going but I'm having too much fun watching them implode to be offended! [emoji2]

Long may they linger at the foot of the ladder!

Long may they rot in purgatory. Up their with the fairypuppies on my other club dislike scale.

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[Ruck'n'Roll]

Add Andrew Dunkley as well. If I recall correctly he was in the same draft as Darren Cresswell

Not quite, I have cranked up the wayback machine and Dunkley was our 5th pick in the '91 National draft - interestingly Andrew McGovern (the father of Jeremy and Mitch) was our first pick, but his sons didn't qualify for father son. Cressa was our surprise 4th pick from the '92 mid season draft.
Dale Lewis was the #2 pick in the '90 midseason draft, he was expected to go early as he was killing it in Ballarat.

[ugg]

Not wanting to derail thread, I recall us drafting Darryn Creswell in the original mid-season draft some 30 years ago. Probably the greatest mid season draft pick up of all time!

Fair enough, didn’t think about the mid season drafts of yore.

[Hotpotato]

Lizard had the ball, was headed into the square, when Lloyd called to him. Lizard threw him the ball and Lloyd took the kick in. No idea what was said, and there was no disagreement per se. Just looked like the senior player was the shot caller.
I noticed because I'm a huge fan of the astonishing boldness (and capacity to wreak chaos) of the Lizards kick outs, and look forward to seeing what will happen next hen he has the ball. Whereas many of Lloyd's kick ins seem to be dinky 20-30 metre kicks to the pocket.
So many of our goals seem to come from backline thrusts, I'm not sure we get the maximum benefit from the oppositions points with the ball in Lloyd's hands.

There’s heaps more dare and unpredictability with the ball in Nicks hands and I too get excited to see what will happen next.

[BRS328]

Add Andrew Dunkley as well. If I recall correctly he was in the same draft as Darren Cresswell

[caj23]

Not wanting to derail thread, I recall us drafting Darryn Creswell in the original mid-season draft some 30 years ago. Probably the greatest mid season draft pick up of all time!

I think Dale Lewis may have been a mid-season draft pick as well

[KSAS]

In any case regardless of what kind of AFL career he makes for himself he’ll be a future trivia question as the first Swan drafted in the mid season to play a senior game

Not wanting to derail thread, I recall us drafting Darryn Creswell in the original mid-season draft some 30 years ago. Probably the greatest mid season draft pick up of all time!

[Ruck'n'Roll]

I missed this. Was there a disagreement?

Lizard had the ball, was headed into the square, when Lloyd called to him. Lizard threw him the ball and Lloyd took the kick in. No idea what was said, and there was no disagreement per se. Just looked like the senior player was the shot caller.
I noticed because I'm a huge fan of the astonishing boldness (and capacity to wreak chaos) of the Lizards kick outs, and look forward to seeing what will happen next hen he has the ball. Whereas many of Lloyd's kick ins seem to be dinky 20-30 metre kicks to the pocket.
So many of our goals seem to come from backline thrusts, I'm not sure we get the maximum benefit from the oppositions points with the ball in Lloyd's hands.

[MattW]

Re McAndrew he’s come a long way since last year when he wasn’t even rucking regularly in the VFL. I know he’s getting a chance partly due to circumstances with the injuries to our tall forwards but they wouldn’t be playing him if they didn’t think he was ready

He had a great hitout to advantage at a centre bounce in the 3rd quarter. Hit it straight down to the moving Papley allowing a clean clearance

In any case regardless of what kind of AFL career he makes for himself he’ll be a future trivia question as the first Swan drafted in the mid season to play a senior game

For some reason, I had had in mind that McLean was a mid-season recruit; but yes, McLean was a pre-season supplemental selection before the 2019 season.

The draft period between the end of the 2018 season and the start of the 2019 season was a fruitful one.

National draft selections:
- Blakey (pick 10; 88* games, which is 3rd most of any national draft selection from that year)
- Rowbottom (pick 25, 79* games (6th most))
- McInerney (pick 44, 62* games (16th most))
- Foot (pick 51, 2 games)

Rookie draft:
- Durak Tucker (0)
- Harry Reynolds (0)

Post draft:
- Sam Wicks (Category B rookie, 39 games)
- Hayden McLean (pre-season supplemental selection, 39 games)

Source for stats above: https://www.draftguru.com.au/years/2018.

[bandwagon]

McAndrew had the best Hitout to Advantage % for all ruckmen on the ground, for what it is worth.
Also TDK attended 18 ruck contests and did not achieve a single hitout to advantage.

[ugg]

Re McAndrew he’s come a long way since last year when he wasn’t even rucking regularly in the VFL. I know he’s getting a chance partly due to circumstances with the injuries to our tall forwards but they wouldn’t be playing him if they didn’t think he was ready

He had a great hitout to advantage at a centre bounce in the 3rd quarter. Hit it straight down to the moving Papley allowing a clean clearance

In any case regardless of what kind of AFL career he makes for himself he’ll be a future trivia question as the first Swan drafted in the mid season to play a senior game

[Mel_C]

Speaking of noteworthy,
did anyone else note the interraction between Lloyd and the Lizard in the first quarter as to who was going to take a kick in?

I missed this. Was there a disagreement?

[Scottee]

I understand how harsh I sound given our circumstances but he really did not provide much assistance for Hickey anyway. His best work is at centre bounce but he only attended 6 of these. He attended 28 ruck contests in total and won the hit out only 7 times. In general play, he provided almost nothing. I'd seriously rather play Sheldrick and give him the learning experience. McLean can ruck for the same amount of time that McAndrew did and we can go with a smaller forward line in that time. If they don't want to do that then play a mid as the ruck and be resigned to losing the hit out.

I get that he is young and that he has potential but it will hurt us in the ones giving him that learning experience there.

Much better than Darcy Cameron's debut and saved Hickey from being completely exhausted. He is going to be OK.

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[MattW]

Coaches votes.

9 Chad Warner (SYD)
9 Nick Blakey (SYD)
3 Jacob Weitering (CARL)
3 Sam Walsh (CARL)
2 Jake Lloyd (SYD)
2 Charlie Curnow (CARL)
1 Luke Parker (SYD)
1 Isaac Heeney (SYD)

Looks like Chad getting the medal wasn't the surprise that many of us thought. Recency bias, perhaps? Also, nobody really mentioned Lloyd earlier in the thread, but he did quietly gather a heap of possessions, as he often does.

Curnow? Voss is kidding, surely.

Kicked 1.3 at 39% efficiency.

Lloyd is putting together another very solid year.

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[Ruck'n'Roll]

There was adiscussion regarding McAndrew in November last year. To which I contributed

I've only seen seen 6 of his VFL games, which isn't a lot, but he's already had quite the share of injuries. On the other hand I'm a bit mono minded when it comes to the rucks, so I pay close attention.
He gallups around the ground well enough as you say, but he's very well behaved as he does so.
I'd like to see him win more hit outs given his height, but his body work lacks authority at the ruck contest and smaller opponents are allowed to get to the ball or more often render his taps ineffective. Which is what worries me, because his reach is his biggest asset. He's never going to be a "human bulldozer", but "awkward bugger" should be within his grasp and is an acceptable ruck type
As to his ruck work, It's early days - this stuff can be learnt WITH TIME, but does he have it? I think he needs to use both arms at the ruck contest and I've never seen him flick back, smack the tap clear of the stoppage or hit a moving target.

I remain as agnostic/unconvinced regarding McAndrew as I was earlier in the year, but I am very [leased he is getting a look in the seniors, trust me, if I see anything that I consider noteworthy - you'll hear about it.

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Speaking of noteworthy,
did anyone else note the interraction between Lloyd and the Lizard in the first quarter as to who was going to take a kick in?