Round 20: the other games. Is there life on Mars?

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  • Thunder Shaker
    Aut vincere aut mori
    • Apr 2004
    • 4200

    #16
    Originally posted by wolftone57
    The Saints, 1 premiership since 1873. They have only played in 6 Grand Finals & have 26 Wooden Spoons.

    I forgot to mention they failed to win a premiership in the VFA. Had very few finals chances in their history, 11 in total. This is an abysmal record for any club. How they managed to talk themselves into the original VFL is beyond me.
    Here is one possible reason:

    Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
    Not that there's any hard and fast rule that says that you can't have a 19th team indefinitely, but overwhelmingly, even numbered competitions are preferred.
    Six clubs broke away from the VFA in 1896: Collingwood, Essendon, Fitzroy, Geelong, Melbourne and South Melbourne. Carlton were invited to join because they had a decent home ground. St Kilda? Probably so they had two teams south of the Yarra, but I suspect a consideration was having an even number of teams.

    After University left the competition after 1914, the competition had nine teams, but some were in recess until 1919 due the the war, so the odd number wasn't felt. After six years of nine teams, the desire for an even number of teams was the reason why Footscray, Hawthorn and North Melbourne were invited to join in 1924, with the first season 1925. Originally the VFL was only going to invite Footscray, but Hawthorn and North Melbourne were included as well. This was perhaps a mistake IMO, as the fixture for 12 teams was mostly an unbalanced one over 18 rounds for decades, and a complete 22-round season wasn't introduced until 1972.

    An odd number of teams is always awkward due to the byes. I have previously demonstrated an arrangement where every team of a 19-team competition had two byes in a 21-round season and played other teams only once. However, there will be a strong incentive to make the numbers even. This will most likely be the introduction of a 20th team.

    Where would a 20th team be based? My guess is northern Australia, with a team that I call the "Northern Australian Rovers": a team with no fixed home ground, but plays its home games in northern Queensland (Cairns) and the Northern Territory (Darwin and Adelaide). "Rovers" has a double meaning here: it's a playing position, and is also occasionally used for a team without a fixed home ground. I expect the AFL would meet some of the cost of fielding such a team.

    Another possibility is as Deja suggested, a team that plays out of the ACT. The problem with a Canberra team is finding a good nickname because many good ones are already taken.
    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      #17
      Originally posted by Nico
      Mark, yesterday i gave you some compelling reasons why Carlton couldn't beat Collingwood. I just watched the game at Ludwig's digs and am currently tucking into a large helping of spicy humble pie, Thai style.
      Ha ha, thanks Nico, I was looking for your original post to gently remind you of it!

      I scoured the "experts" trying to find anyone that would tip Carlton, and couldn't find anyone else that would. Some even said they were waiting for them to take a "genuine scalp" despite them smashing Port 2 weeks ago. I think they and GW$ are the two who will definitely make the 8 and could do some damage, which means there's probably only the Saints and possibly the Doggies spots up for grabs.

      Stating the obvious, but winning this week and next pretty essential if we are to have any chance. I have tipped the Hawks and GW$ this week.

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      • KSAS
        Senior Player
        • Mar 2018
        • 1793

        #18
        Thunder Shaker, I think you meant to say the Northern Territory games played in Darwin and Alice Springs (not Adelaide).

        In regards to Victorian Teams merging, over the decades there has been pushes by the VFL/AFL which never eventuated due to the emotion & paracholism involved. I can't see it ever being put on the agenda again.

        I recall back in the 80's talk of North & Melbourne merging (North Melbourne!). Then the famous collapses of the North/Footscray and Hawthorrn/Melbourne mergers proposals. You also had Carlton attempting to take over North and then trying their hand at playing their away games in Sydney if we had went under in 93.

        There was also possibility of us merging with the then Brisbane Bears at this time. Before poor Fitzroy went under, I think there was talk of them integrating with Carlton which the AFL vetoed and were forced shotgun wedding with the Brisbane Bears?

        There was a joke around this merger period if Mellbourne merged with Carlton they'd be called Melton!

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        • Thunder Shaker
          Aut vincere aut mori
          • Apr 2004
          • 4200

          #19
          Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
          Where would a 20th team be based? My guess is northern Australia, with a team that I call the "Northern Australian Rovers": a team with no fixed home ground, but plays its home games in northern Queensland (Cairns) and the Northern Territory (Darwin and Adelaide).
          Originally posted by KSAS
          Thunder Shaker, I think you meant to say the Northern Territory games played in Darwin and Alice Springs (not Adelaide).
          Yes, not Adelaide. I meant to say "Alice Springs" here: a fatigued-induced mistake when posting late after a long and difficult day.
          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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          • Kafka's Ghost
            Regular in the Side
            • Sep 2017
            • 903

            #20
            Although I tipped the Dogs today, the Giants winning would not be a disappointment.
            A. It’s the Dogs, and
            B. Watching Luke Beveridge’s face, and perhaps him evening up his broken hands, is always entertaining.


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            • Sandridge
              Outer wing, Lake Oval
              • Apr 2010
              • 2078

              #21
              Only half time in the early games but, at the moment, our recent form is looking ok!

              The Poodles are holding a comfortable lead against the Giants and the Dockers are giving the Cats a helluva fright at GMHBA!

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              • longmile
                Crumber
                • Apr 2011
                • 3366

                #22
                Go Freo!

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                • Swannette
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 832

                  #23
                  How often does this happen?

                  Patterns emerge, but do they mean anything? No.

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                  • longmile
                    Crumber
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 3366

                    #24
                    Trying to manifest a Dogs v Giants draw

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                    • Mark26
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2017
                      • 1535

                      #25
                      Cats just beaten by Freo!

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                      • Sandridge
                        Outer wing, Lake Oval
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 2078

                        #26
                        Football is a funny game!

                        We comfortably beat the Dockers on their own ground and then they beat the Cats at GMHBA!

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                        • Mark26
                          Senior Player
                          • Jan 2017
                          • 1535

                          #27
                          Looks like the Giants are going to beat the Pups. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Bevo broke something else?

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                          • Sandridge
                            Outer wing, Lake Oval
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 2078

                            #28
                            Giants up by 11 with 5 mins to go! C'mon Giants - beat those Poodles!!

                            Bugger - back to 5 points!

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                            • Mel_C
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 4470

                              #29
                              The Giants have more supporters at the Ballarat ground than turn up at the SCG!

                              5 points in front but still 3:50 to go.

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                              • Mark26
                                Senior Player
                                • Jan 2017
                                • 1535

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Sandridge
                                Giants up by 11 with 5 mins to go! C'mon Giants - beat those Poodles!!
                                Back within 5. Could be a draw yet!

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