Round 23 Crows v Swans

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  • Nico
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 11342

    Originally posted by Sandridge
    When it happened, the commentators thought it was a goal. When they looked at a slo-mo replay, they thought it had hit the padding.
    Now that's interesting. Looks like the goal umpire got it right.
    http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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    • KTigers
      Senior Player
      • Apr 2012
      • 2499

      I reckon it hit the post about 10 feet up from the top of the thick padding. The very first sequence shows the ball deviating.
      There is another piece of footage as well that shows the same thing (the ball changing its flight path). Maybe that's why
      the goal umpire called it a point. I mean he was actually right there and didn't call for review implying he was sure it was a
      behind.

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      • Meg
        Go Swannies!
        Site Admin
        • Aug 2011
        • 4828

        I too have an inkling that the goal umpire was right all along.

        It was reported (perhaps Gill said it) that the goal umpire said he heard a noise and believed he saw the ball deviate.

        As KTigers said above, the umpire was perfectly positioned and confident in his decision.

        It is impossible to state with certainty though -and the “official” footage and Gill’s strong statement that had it been reviewed at the time the goal umpire’s call would have been overruled, mean it would now be an un-winnable position to argue.

        It perhaps does reinforce the desirability of some boost to the official camera coverage. In this case, if the ball did in fact brush the post it appears it was at the back of the post which the official cameras don’t show.

        Or we could simply trust the umpire’s call …

        Whatever - I remain appalled by the vilification heaped on the goal umpire.

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        • Hotpotato
          Senior Player
          • Jun 2014
          • 2284

          Every man and his galah from Gills couch to Galarlgumbone has had their airtime now. Now let’s hear it from the goal ump himself or was it herself. Pay him/her $250k to appear on 60 mins.

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          • KTigers
            Senior Player
            • Apr 2012
            • 2499

            The pile-on against the goal umpire is just so AFL. They spend all this time virtue signalling about how the umps are sacrosanct
            then their spud CEO who was interstate at the time bends over to the mob once again and dumps on the guy and then lays him off.
            It's such a dirt bag action by McLachlan. Maybe he's working up to following in the illustrious footsteps of his predecessor, Andrew
            "Training College" Demetriou once he actually leaves the building. Seriously, where do they find these people?

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            • Blood Fever
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 4051

              Uncle Andy lies very low these days

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              • Sandridge
                Outer wing, Lake Oval
                • Apr 2010
                • 2092

                Originally posted by KTigers
                The pile-on against the goal umpire is just so AFL. They spend all this time virtue signalling about how the umps are sacrosanct
                then their spud CEO who was interstate at the time bends over to the mob once again and dumps on the guy and then lays him off.
                It's such a dirt bag action by McLachlan. Maybe he's working up to following in the illustrious footsteps of his predecessor, Andrew
                "Training College" Demetriou once he actually leaves the building. Seriously, where do they find these people?
                You make a very good point! A player can have an absolute howler free kick paid against him and if he just raises his arms in frustration, he can be punished even more for dissent with a 50m penalty. (I'm surprised Gulden didn't cop one of those Saturday night - he was obviously mystified by the free paid against him in the third quarter which gifted the Crows a goal!) But if the goal umpire made a mistake Saturday night - and I say IF because, like Meg, I'm not convinced he was wrong - looking after umpire welfare has gone by the wayside. The "pile on" by the media AND the AFL boss has been disgusting!

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                • barry
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                  • Jan 2003
                  • 8499

                  I totally agree that Gill's pile on the ump is totally unprofessional.
                  But, let's not let our biases blind us. It didn't touch the post, and gulden threw it. To argue differently, diminishes our credibility.

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                  • Go Swannies
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                    • Sep 2003
                    • 5697

                    Originally posted by barry
                    I totally agree that Gill's pile on the ump is totally unprofessional.
                    But, let's not let our biases blind us. It didn't touch the post, and gulden threw it. To argue differently, diminishes our credibility.
                    Barry, I haven't gone back to look at Errol's but he appeared genuinely bemused about the free. But I've watched that kick from lots of different angles and the goal umpire was in the textbook perfect position to adjudge whether the ball hit the post or not. (That's a long way from commentators saying "maybe it hit the padding".) So the only options are that he suffered temporary blindness or he deliberately lied about what he saw. I discount the player's hand slap theory as who would conclude "I saw it miss the post but I heard it so my eyes must be wrong"? So he lied - why would he do that? A bribe or deep-seated love of the Swans are all I can think of and, as he's apparently a Crows supporter, option B seems unlikely. I wonder if we'll hear anything from the umpires association - it's notable that they let Gil blather but haven't released any audio recording.

                    Incidentally, the Crows have been all class (anyone else thawed on Dawson as I have? - I've considered Nicks all class since his farewell speech that declared Mickey O was his spiritual brother) and it's the warriors of commentating who keep it running and running. I'll certainly be barracking for the Eagles so they all shut up.

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                    • goswannies
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 3052

                      Originally posted by Go Swannies
                      A bribe or deep-seated love of the Swans are all I can think of and, as he's apparently a Crows supporter, option B seems unlikely.
                      No apparently about it. He was a crows supporter long before he was an umpire.

                      I can’t be 100% certain that he wouldn’t take a bribe. But I am so absolutely certain that he wouldn’t that I’m willing to offer pretty much anything to back that he wouldn’t. He take his role very seriously and isolates any Crows sentiment on match day.

                      A Venn diagram would look like this

                      crows O O umpire

                      He made a call. I expect that in him mind (rightly or wrongly) he was 100% certain that it was a behind, so he backed himself in (which is what he is supposed to do). If he had any doubt, he would have called for a goal review (which is also what he’s supposed to do).

                      There is a difference between being certain you are right and actually being wrong, but on a Venn Diagram those two events can intersect.

                      And just to blur the lines further

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                      • Meg
                        Go Swannies!
                        Site Admin
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 4828

                        Originally posted by Go Swannies

                        Incidentally, the Crows have been all class (anyone else thawed on Dawson as I have? - I've considered Nicks all class since his farewell speech that declared Mickey O was his spiritual brother) and it's the warriors of commentating who keep it running and running. I'll certainly be barracking for the Eagles so they all shut up.
                        All class? H’mmm ....

                        “The Adelaide Crows will be seeking some sort of recompense in the wake of the goal umpiring blunder that potentially cost them a finals spot. ........the redress being sought could include a favourable fixture, recruiting concessions and travel allowances, among other suggestions.”

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                        • stevoswan
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                          • Sep 2014
                          • 8570

                          Originally posted by The Big Cat
                          Would improve 100% if they got rid of Andy Maher. How he has survived in the media for so long has me astonished.
                          Don't agree.....he is the perfect straight man to Sam and Micks funny guys. Thought he was also great on the shows 'The Front Bar' was inspired by, Channel Ten's 'Before The Game' and 'After The Game'.

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                          • stevoswan
                            Veterans List
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 8570

                            Originally posted by barry
                            I totally agree that Gill's pile on the ump is totally unprofessional.
                            But, let's not let our biases blind us. It didn't touch the post, and gulden threw it. To argue differently, diminishes our credibility.
                            Barry, you're credibilty died years ago....I'll say it again, Gulden handballed it. Take those Giants spectacles off....or are they Crows ones?

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                            • Sandridge
                              Outer wing, Lake Oval
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 2092

                              Originally posted by Meg
                              All class? H’mmm ....

                              “The Adelaide Crows will be seeking some sort of recompense in the wake of the goal umpiring blunder that potentially cost them a finals spot. ........the redress being sought could include a favourable fixture, recruiting concessions and travel allowances, among other suggestions.”

                              https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/...r-ceo-has-seen
                              Sheesh! What should we have asked for after the 2016 Grand Final??
                              Last edited by Sandridge; 24 August 2023, 06:26 PM.

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                              • Go Swannies
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                                • Sep 2003
                                • 5697

                                Originally posted by Sandridge
                                Sheesh! What should we have asked for the 2016 Grand Final??
                                Hanners with a new leg for a start.

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