Match thread: Swans v Magpies.

[redstarforever]

AFL FB page going off about the commentators’ bias and relentless focus on Collingwood. Pretty much all the non-Pies aligned fans are sick of it.

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yeah i cant listen to ch7 commentary anymore they’re full of it, none more so than bt! just want to punch him in the face how badly he overdoes it. like atleast show a bit of
appreciation to the opposition ya goose.

just a joke

[neilfws]

Just quietly - how good has Roberts been?

Very good! And even better in week 2 than week 1. May it continue.

Good to see an article focused on what the Swans did right, rather than another in the string of "OMG Collingwood lost what's wrong with them" articles. I found it a little disjointed and rambling in places, but worth a read. The Swans half-backs have been noticeably forward in the opening games.

High press, high reward: Did the Swans give the footy world a blueprint for beating Collingwood?

[giant]

What an outstanding win, what a brilliant start to the season.

Just quietly - how good has Roberts been? Like most of us, I thought he had talent but he has effectively gone past our two time F&B winning stalwart Lloyd in a blink of an eye. He looks so assured and so comfortable and his defensive work is almost the equal of his outstanding offensive play. Stay fit young Matt!

[dejavoodoo44]

This has long been my pet obsession. I appreciate his injuries and form the last 18 months hadn't helped - but I can never get out of my head when he twice went into the centre square a few seasons back and won us games against Norf (early '22 from memory) and Essendon (late '21 from memory) we were on track to lose. He's got a real bit of mongrel in him, has a wiry strength, doesn't mind phsyical contact, and seems to have an instinct for clearance work. You'd never pop him in there 100 percent of the time, as he's too good a runner and you want him breaking lines too. But players with burst inside the contest are super dangerous.

It's why I've kept banging on about it, and as you say, good to see the coaches let him do it now he's back to full fitness.

I remember my old sparring partner on here, the Bloods, said he had potential to play like a Nigel Lappin and it was a good point of comparison. Let's hope he continues to flourish.

These are our centre bounce attendance for the first two matches. It's an interesting mix and you'd probably only class Rowbottom and Jordon as big bodied mids, and neither are in there for the majority of bounces.

Brodie Grundy - 39. Isaac Heeney - 32.
Chad Warner - 31.
Errol Gulden - 22.
James Rowbottom - 19.
James Jordon - 18.
Justin McInerney - 17.
Tom Papley - 17.
Hayden McLean - 13.

Which I guess means that we're usually going for quick to the ball and quick away from the contest. While I also guess that it throws more responsibility on the ruckmen to pound into the opposition's big bodied mids. Which I think Grundy and McLean are capable of doing.

I also wonder how much of the decision to put McInerney in the middle was McInerney generated? That is, with Mills always going to be missing, it would seem that the logical thing would have been to put Roberts in there, since he pretty well spent all of his time in the VFL as an inside mid. So I suspect that McInerney may have pestered Longmire with a fairly constant stream of, "No, Horse, I can do it".

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Let's not be talking about who is the player to be demoted to fit in x,y & z when they are fit. Most of those suggested have had influence in two excellent wins.

I'm all for the Longmire idea of thinking, things will work themselves out at the time. If our good run of injury luck holds for a while, there'll be no need to rush back x, y & z, give players extra time, grab a fortnight extra where a bye is involved. We can hopefully wait until they are cherry ripe :-)

[i'm-uninformed2]

I'm actually a touch surprised that McInerney didn't get a vote or two, as I thought he was one of our best. He's also the player that I feel has improved the most season. In that, in the past I thought his tackling was a bit like a well oiled turnstile, but now there's a bit of oomph in his tackles. He's also applying plenty of chase down pressure, and along with players like Fox, Hayward, Warner and Rowbottom, was responsible for constantly disrupting Collingwood’s ball movement out of defence.

But the thing that's surprised me most, is that now he's spending a fair amount of time as an inside: when in the past I've had him down as purely a flanker. On Friday night, he actually attended 46% of centre bounces and was pretty effective. I thought he competed hard and was elusive in traffic when he got the ball. And I certainly didn't have him in mind, to step up in the absence of Mills, Parker, Adams and Sheldrick, but it seems to be working. So, kudos to him and the coaching staff.

This has long been my pet obsession. I appreciate his injuries and form the last 18 months hadn't helped - but I can never get out of my head when he twice went into the centre square a few seasons back and won us games against Norf (early '22 from memory) and Essendon (late '21 from memory) we were on track to lose. He's got a real bit of mongrel in him, has a wiry strength, doesn't mind phsyical contact, and seems to have an instinct for clearance work. You'd never pop him in there 100 percent of the time, as he's too good a runner and you want him breaking lines too. But players with burst inside the contest are super dangerous.

It's why I've kept banging on about it, and as you say, good to see the coaches let him do it now he's back to full fitness.

I remember my old sparring partner on here, the Bloods, said he had potential to play like a Nigel Lappin and it was a good point of comparison. Let's hope he continues to flourish.

[dejavoodoo44]

Now that I think of it, McCartin was also a touch unlucky not to get a vote, as he was the player who was probably the most influential, in our defence being right on top of their forwards.

[dejavoodoo44]

And this is the top of the leader board, with Isaac in first place. Not that it's hugely relevant after 1 1/2 rounds.

19 Isaac Heeney SYD
18 Matt Rowell GCFC
15 Tom Green GWS
15 Jesse Hogan GWS
13 Harry McKay CARL
11 Touk Miller GCFC
10 Patrick Dangerfield GEEL
10 Archie Perkins ESS
10 Connor Rozee PORT
10 Caleb Serong FRE
9 Noah Anderson GCFC
9 Brodie Grundy SYD
9 Clayton Oliver MELB
9 Wil Powell GCFC

[dejavoodoo44]

I'm actually a touch surprised that McInerney didn't get a vote or two, as I thought he was one of our best. He's also the player that I feel has improved the most season. In that, in the past I thought his tackling was a bit like a well oiled turnstile, but now there's a bit of oomph in his tackles. He's also applying plenty of chase down pressure, and along with players like Fox, Hayward, Warner and Rowbottom, was responsible for constantly disrupting Collingwood’s ball movement out of defence.

But the thing that's surprised me most, is that now he's spending a fair amount of time as an inside: when in the past I've had him down as purely a flanker. On Friday night, he actually attended 46% of centre bounces and was pretty effective. I thought he competed hard and was elusive in traffic when he got the ball. And I certainly didn't have him in mind, to step up in the absence of Mills, Parker, Adams and Sheldrick, but it seems to be working. So, kudos to him and the coaching staff.

[dejavoodoo44]

Coaches votes for the game.

10 Isaac Heeney (SYD)
5 Chad Warner (SYD)
5 James Rowbottom (SYD)
5 Nick Daicos (COLL)
5 Errol Gulden (SYD)

Obviously the breakdown of votes is 5-5, then two lots of 4-1 and two lots of 3-2.

[SwanSand]

I think the bottom 5 players at the moment are Amartey, Wicks, Lloyd, Braeden Campbell, Robbie Fox.
When Sam Reid is ready, Amartey will be replaced by Reid. Amartey just does not provide a lot other than mark the ball, which is going to be harder in the pointy end of the season.
Wicks - though plays his role well, can be easily replaced.
Robbie Fox's role can be done by Luke Parker, Robbie Fox can come on as Sub to replace Wicks - He can play all sorts of roles - Back, Forward, Ruck - Ideal Sub
Lloyd - has been pushed out - he can also be the sub coz he can do multiple roles but he should be replaced by Mills. Mills can play in the middle or back - when he rolls back, maybe Roberts can use his deep kicks to good use in the middle.
Braeden Campbell - this is the hard one I like him as a player but I reckon, as suggested by others, Taylor Adams may give us good centre clearances and when the going goes tough in the middle, you need elite players in the middle. Heeney will be tagged soon and you will need someone to go in there. Braeden can also play sub and use his run and deep kick when coming on as sub. He is again adept at playing back or as a forward so good as a sub.

But neither Taylor nor Parker should play all games and there is going to be enough games for Campbell I guess in that sense.

However as Horse suggested, when the time to Bring in those players come, many things will naturally fall in place. Form, weather, fitness, injuries will all make it easy to select certain individuals over others.

[KTigers]

Admit I’m somewhat peeved that in our two wins the AFL’s own site has barely mentioned the Swans. It’s all been about the opposition; last week Melbourne’s poor forward work, this week the absence of Nathan Murphy for the Pies. Really highlights the Vic-centric mindset of most footy journalists.


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I wouldn't worry about it. They don't get out much. It's a little bit scary out there.

[i'm-uninformed2]

I'd be fascinated to hear from those at the ground who did the job on Josh Daicos. He's essential to the flow of their play and while their fumbling/our pressure across their halfback line made distribution to him difficult, he was effectively irrelevant to the game. It looked from the coverage a mix of a few players, but it was great coaching to invest time in him.

[BRS328]

Cannot see either Haywood or Jordan being dropped. Jordan did a fantastic job on Sidebottom last Friday night. Going to have to look elsewhere for mine.
Depth is a great thing, but as you say injuries do occur. As Longmire quoted in the presser afterwards these problems generally take care of themselves when asked the same question

[dejavoodoo44]

I remember a game against the Dogs in 2012, we were annihilating them, and Bruce asked Dennis did he think the Swans were a chance at the Premiership. The reply was a qualified yes, but in his (Dennis’) opinion our midfield was “too similar.” Not to really be compared to the Hawks or Crows.


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I do miss Dennis Cometti though and I sometimes wonder if he would still be able to return to the commentary box. If not, perhaps he could take over the post-game interviews from Taylor? I can't help thinking, that Divergent Dennis would be far more entertaining than Roaming Brian. At least you'd largely have people who wanted to be interviewed.