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  • cubby
    On the Rookie List
    • Jun 2024
    • 9

    #61
    It seems inevitable to me...

    Parker in for Adams

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    • troyjones2525
      Swans Fanatic!
      • Mar 2008
      • 2908

      #62
      Originally posted by cubby
      It seems inevitable to me...

      Parker in for Adams
      We have to surely... I felt bad for Adams and hoped we would win him the flag he missed out on last year. But I feel that if he's in our side, our chances of winning decrease. His foot skills are abysmal and has cost us goal scoring chances every week. Luckily, we have been playing excellent football that it hasn't really hurt us, but as the pressure of finals mounts, his turnovers will become more costly.

      He is hard at it and offers leadership, no doubt! But if we have no injuries and Parker and Mills to return, then surely he must make way for one of them, or be the sub at the least.

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      • Auntie.Gerald
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2009
        • 6480

        #63
        Parks and Mills will be massive INS when the time is right. The door is now officially open for them to step in.

        Overall though in a competition equalising salary cap environment, it is very very hard to dominate week in week out yet we had all season,
        This far.

        A couple losses only is a remarkable effort, especially with two of our great leaders have been out all season. It is natural that a few of our 22yr old ish players will have a day where they are flat and tired. They were certainly that at the SCG yesterday.

        We never know all the circumstances. Sometimes it can be as basic as a few players struggling with the common cold or post viral and that is enough to not be at your 100% which you can’t do vs Freeo.

        For me Freeo were very good at moving us around to where they really wanted to kick start their attack and overlap……. and let’s be honest we are a team that can not afford the ball coming in hot. Our midfield was not nearly as damaging nor relentless as we have seen all season and that put so much pressure on our backs yesterday.
        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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        • Kafka's Ghost
          Regular in the Side
          • Sep 2017
          • 904

          #64
          Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
          Parks and Mills will be massive INS when the time is right. The door is now officially open for them to step in.

          Overall though in a competition equalising salary cap environment, it is very very hard to dominate week in week out yet we had all season,
          This far.

          A couple losses only is a remarkable effort, especially with two of our great leaders have been out all season. It is natural that a few of our 22yr old ish players will have a day where they are flat and tired. They were certainly that at the SCG yesterday.

          We never know all the circumstances. Sometimes it can be as basic as a few players struggling with the common cold or post viral and that is enough to not be at your 100% which you can’t do vs Freeo.

          For me Freeo were very good at moving us around to where they really wanted to kick start their attack and overlap……. and let’s be honest we are a team that can not afford the ball coming in hot. Our midfield was not nearly as damaging nor relentless as we have seen all season and that put so much pressure on our backs yesterday.
          Great post. Was going to write pretty much the same thing. We were so listless in the first half I was thinking last week’s heavy ground looked like it left a few flat. Our forward half and midfield defence was non-existent in the first half, and the entries into the 50 were nothing like they had been. A couple of big clunks by McLean kept us in it; I thought his game was terrific. He even gave us more than Grundy in the ruck, Brodie looking very flat and tired.
          Regarding the Parker/ Adams conundrum, Parker definitely has to come in for Adams. The latter’s ball use is as bad as I’ve seen in a player of his standing, plus he gave away two cheap goals with undisciplined play, albeit the downfield “push in the back” was as soft as butter on a picnic table in January. Mills will be straight in for Cunningham.
          The wake-up call needed after so many slow starts.


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          • Melbourne_Blood
            Senior Player
            • May 2010
            • 3312

            #65
            We were definitely due for one, and I had a feeling before the game. In my birthday too no less .

            Good wake up call, and good to drop one against a Freo and not a Carlton or Collingwood.

            Slow starts and a drop off in pressure last few weeks needs to be addressed and a loss helps, getting the wins despite those factors papers over the cracks a bit.


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            • waswan
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2015
              • 2047

              #66
              Lose by a point, no need to make changes
              Win streak and underperforming players, no need to make changes

              Parker and Mills straight back in ?
              Parker couldn't have done more in the 2s and still got overlooked.

              I wish one of these tall fwds would step up and get some fwd presence. All year its been Kick 2 buy yourself a month of games.

              Can handle some big names coming off ridiculous highs but there are glaring holes in some that consistently don't show enough

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              • Dow
                Regular in the Side
                • Sep 2022
                • 844

                #67
                Fox in for Cunningham (inj)and Mills in for BC the week after.

                Couple of questions could BC replace Wicks ? and Adam’s for Parker ?

                IF Reid has a good 6 weeks in the 2s could he replace one of our fwds or atleast put them under pressure

                Does Grundy need a friend like ladhams in the senior side ?

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                • waswan
                  Senior Player
                  • Oct 2015
                  • 2047

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Dow
                  Fox in for Cunningham (inj)and Mills in for BC the week after.

                  Couple of questions could BC replace Wicks ? and Adam’s for Parker ?

                  IF Reid has a good 6 weeks in the 2s could he replace one of our fwds or atleast put them under pressure

                  Does Grundy need a friend like ladhams in the senior side ?
                  Ladhams yes, has a presence too.

                  Is more of a fwd then any of the other 2 are rucks

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                  • liz
                    Veteran
                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16778

                    #69
                    Originally posted by waswan
                    Ladhams yes, has a presence too.

                    Is more of a fwd then any of the other 2 are rucks
                    Not based on what he's shown in the VFL this year so far. His rucking has been ok to mediocre. His forward line work has been poor.

                    One of the few shining lights in yesterday's game was McLean - not just his forward work but his around-the-ground stuff when taking a turn in the ruck. It was a welcome return to form from him after a couple of very quiet weeks.

                    Grundy's been excellent for us almost all year but Darcy is the kind of ruckman he's probably going to struggle against. He (Darcy) is just a huge lump who can't be moved around.

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                    • waswan
                      Senior Player
                      • Oct 2015
                      • 2047

                      #70
                      Originally posted by liz
                      Not based on what he's shown in the VFL this year so far. His rucking has been ok to mediocre. His forward line work has been poor.

                      One of the few shining lights in yesterday's game was McLean - not just his forward work but his around-the-ground stuff when taking a turn in the ruck. It was a welcome return to form from him after a couple of very quiet weeks.

                      Grundy's been excellent for us almost all year but Darcy is the kind of ruckman he's probably going to struggle against. He (Darcy) is just a huge lump who can't be moved around.
                      Amartey was Non existent against a very young defence bar one player

                      Mclean great after 5weeks of being ok at best

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                      • Nico
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 11339

                        #71
                        Some observations from the game.

                        1. Errol looked flat and didn't have his 2 way running. It looked to me that Heeney carried that shoulder injury into the game. It appeared that he was reluctant to tackle until the last quarter.
                        2. The mids struggled to get back and help the defenders.
                        3. As mentioned by others we looked listless. eg. Lloyd really battled to keep up.
                        4. McLean: as good as he played he was the wrong focal point in the last quarter. His lack of agility found him out. He played from behind and his opponent twice outmarked him by playing in front. Again he was behind when the ball went to the pocket and spoiled out of bounds. When Logan chipped into mark to level the scores Hayden was again behind his man. With the 6/6/6 our tall forwards must play in front.
                        5. Adams has to be the worst disposal in the comp. In the 3rd quarter he was running into an open goal and inexplicably went sideways and tried to hook it arpund, and it goes out on the full. Then in the last quarter he kicked a grubber to a leading forward. Will JL have the guts to drop him, because both Mills and Parker have to come back in, and the sooner the better.
                        6. Our forward pressure looked way off and the Freo backs cleared it too easily.
                        7. My son said to me this morning. "Why does Blakey do dinky kicks when he should kick the ball to the top of the square". That kick to Grundy was awful. Why would you kick to someone who is not going to move the ball on quickly. Wrong spot, wrong player.
                        http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                        • i'm-uninformed2
                          Reefer Madness
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 4653

                          #72
                          Good to see some maturity on here re the Logan kick. He probably could have settled himself a bit more, but I’m not sure it helped that he had an umpire yabbering so much into his ear I thought the guy was going to snatch the ball and take the shot himself. I get Logan may have asked for clarity but he was far too intrusive. Anyway, as others have said, we shouldn’t have left our chances to a shot from 55 on the siren.

                          I guess the good news is we played like garbage for much of the game, had zero full-ground defensive intent, the big four in the middle of Errol Heeney, Warner and Grundy were right down, and maybe three or four players won their position (good to see Hayden’s sticky hands return) - and still got within a point.

                          It’ll all give Horse plenty to work with. And with some good players ready or looming, we can still strengthen our side.

                          The worry is these starts were eventually going to catch us and need fixing, I thought a few of our blokes looked sore and the risk is those niggles stick around (and Harry will be missed if he’s out for a couple of weeks), and I reckon between the games against the Dogs, the Cats and this, other sides will start to thread together some ways to beat us.

                          We were always going to lose at some point, so nothing to fret about as long as we kick back hard the next few weeks.
                          'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                          • waswan
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2015
                            • 2047

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Nico
                            Some observations from the game.

                            1. Errol looked flat and didn't have his 2 way running. It looked to me that Heeney carried that shoulder injury into the game. It appeared that he was reluctant to tackle until the last quarter.
                            2. The mids struggled to get back and help the defenders.
                            3. As mentioned by others we looked listless. eg. Lloyd really battled to keep up.
                            4. McLean: as good as he played he was the wrong focal point in the last quarter. His lack of agility found him out. He played from behind and his opponent twice outmarked him by playing in front. Again he was behind when the ball went to the pocket and spoiled out of bounds. When Logan chipped into mark to level the scores Hayden was again behind his man. With the 6/6/6 our tall forwards must play in front.
                            5. Adams has to be the worst disposal in the comp. In the 3rd quarter he was running into an open goal and inexplicably went sideways and tried to hook it arpund, and it goes out on the full. Then in the last quarter he kicked a grubber to a leading forward. Will JL have the guts to drop him, because both Mills and Parker have to come back in, and the sooner the better.
                            6. Our forward pressure looked way off and the Freo backs cleared it too easily.
                            7. My son said to me this morning. "Why does Blakey do dinky kicks when he should kick the ball to the top of the square". That kick to Grundy was awful. Why would you kick to someone who is not going to move the ball on quickly. Wrong spot, wrong player.
                            Agree with most of that but would not be having a crack at Blakey, played his guts out and the main reason we got close

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                            • Hotpotato
                              Senior Player
                              • Jun 2014
                              • 2272

                              #74
                              Should Logan have tried the Torp from that awkward distance?
                              What would you do if that was the last kick in a Grand Final to win the Premiership?

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                              • waswan
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2015
                                • 2047

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Hotpotato
                                Should Logan have tried the Torp from that awkward distance?
                                What would you do if that was the last kick in a Grand Final to win the Premiership?
                                6ft 6, 100kg,
                                Drop punt all day long

                                Shanked it, plain and simple

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