Eade legacy at Swans now finished.

[Bas]

There was an article in the Sun Herald yesterday about Brett Kirk and Eade.

Brett said that in June 2002 after playing in Melbourne that both he and Frosty were told by Eade that their careers were finished. They would not play in first grade again.

A week later , Eade quits the Swans and Roos brings Brett back into the fold. The rest is history.

I think for too long, the Swans have had held an honour to Eade for getting them into a GF in his first year. Yet he couldn't do it again or get anywhere close to doing it in the next 7 years.

I think there were other players too who were not happy with Eade, especially his rantings and ravings.

Now Roos has taken the Swans to a Premiership with his coaching and player empowering skills I think Eades place and contribution in Swans history will be corrected.

[Damien]

So what? he got a player wrong? shoot him.

He made a contribution to the club, that should be remembered.

Roos was the first coach to win in 72 years - doesn't mean the many other coaches we have had since 1933 mean nothing in terms of what they were able to do.

Barrassi and then Eade were able to instill a winning culture into the club, very very important in the scheme of things.

[cressakel]

Re: Eade legacy at Swans now finished.

Originally posted by Bas
There was an article in the Sun Herald yesterday about Brett Kirk and Eade.

Brett said that in June 2002 after playing in Melbourne that both he and Frosty were told by Eade that their careers were finished. They would not play in first grade again.

A week later , Eade quits the Swans and Roos brings Brett back into the fold. The rest is history.

I think for too long, the Swans have had held an honour to Eade for getting them into a GF in his first year. Yet he couldn't do it again or get anywhere close to doing it in the next 7 years.

I think there were other players too who were not happy with Eade, especially his rantings and ravings.

Now Roos has taken the Swans to a Premiership with his coaching and player empowering skills I think Eades place and contribution in Swans history will be corrected.

Couldn't stand "Floodney" when he was coaching us post 1996 and still can't now.....

Second behind Gary Buckenara in the Swans history post 1982 as the worst coach

Eade was the only coach to constantly take good players (read. Maxfield, Kelly, Cresswell, Lewis, Roos, Schwass etc. etc.) off the ground for mistakes but constantly kept duds like Bomford, O'Connor and Filandia on the ground after mistakes for God knows what reason.....

[BayesysLeftBoot]

While I was one of the people hoping for him to leave in his last season, I think he is an excellent coach and should be congratulated for what he did for us. He probably lost the players to a certain extent in his last couple of seasons and we just needed a change, simple as that.

[Plugger46]

Eade was a second-rate coach. Had Barassi stayed on, we would have won a flag. How we didn't win a flag with Lockett, Kelly, Creswell, Schwass, Roos, O'Loughlin etc, is beyond me.

Kirk was our best player in the elimination final against Hawthorn in 2001. Why didn't Eade realise that he was a good footballer then?

[hammo]

Harsh assessment. Considering where the club had come from in the early 90's, Eade's achievements as coach were commendable. He turned us from a bottom of the ladder side to a regular finals team.

Many of our premiership team were brought to the club by Eade.

In saying that, I firmly believe Roos is a better coach and Eade moved on at the right time.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by hammo
Harsh assessment. Considering where the club had come from in the early 90's, Eade's achievements as coach were commendable. He turned us from a bottom of the ladder side to a regular finals team.

Many of our premiership team were brought to the club by Eade.

I have always believed he was a hack coach, and still believe it. He did nothing for the club that any other coach would not have, and did much less for us than either Barassi or Roos.

Lets remember that the team that got us into the 96 GF and then at least three of the next finals campaigns included a miriad of Team of the Century players, two Brownlow medalists, a Coleman medalist, and a Hall of Famer (with at least two more to be inducted eventually IMO). And with that team, arguably one of the most talented we've ever assembled, he managed to get us squat.

Why? Because he is hopeless at reaching out and developing seccond and third tier players. He can create a side with a good first 6 or 7 players, but cannot reach out or connect with the younger ones coming through.

Compare that with Roos, who can put a side with 16 solid players every week onto the park, and ensure that the weakest 6 players every game are better than the weakest 6 of the opposition.

Put all of that "game day strategist" crap to one side, and you'll find Eade is in the bottom 6 of coaches in the league today. I would struggle to put him at anywhere but in the last three in fact.

[Mike_B]

I reckon that Eade definitely struggled to connect with the players in his latter years with the Swans and it seems he has taken those learnings with him to the Dogs. It will be interesting to see how he goes in coming years them - has he really changed or will he end up heading down the same road as he did with the Swans.

[NMWBloods]

I suppose people think Hafey was crap too...

For similar reasons some think Blight was crap because of his experience at St Kilda.

Both of those coaches achieved success elsewhere. Perhaps club culture was an issue at the time too.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I suppose people think Hafey was crap too...

He failed in one crucial arena... he forgot that finals was where it counted. Particularly in 87 where he had the team peak at round 18, with three consecutive 30+ goal games in a row. We beat Melbourne by 6 goals at the G in round 12, but yet in the Semi we lost to the same team, same venue, by almost double that.

Being the searing cynicist that you are NMW, I would have thought you would have less support for this form of 'mediocrity'? For mine, its not so much the record of each coach that annoys me, its also the style. Both Eade and Hafey were what I call 'screamers' and that's all fine if you get results. IMO if you have to treat players like crap to get results, you deserve to get it back double when you fail as a coach.

[mocaholic]

It's spoken about that Barass was great, but he was more a figurehead for Drum below him who I believe did a lot of the matchday / strategy stuff. Barass to my mind was to inspire and motivate - which is something he certainly did well. I still have a little bit of time for Drum as he certainly assembled a good crew at Freo (to his own expense) and the fact that somebody else can't get the best out of them isn't necessarily Drum's fault.

Eade early on was good, innovative, keen and eager (running on to the ground Waverley 1996 shows his passion), but after seven years his message was tired and his methods were self-defensive. Sure he made an error with Kirk, but I didn't think he was too bad.

My mate at the Dogs though does say he can get a little 'unhappy' with the players...

Hafey however could've cost us flag with his overtraining of the 86/87 teams...the team was like a well-oiled machine in August 87 but lost back-to-back against Hawks and Melb because they couldn't run out the game.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by mocaholic
Hafey however could've cost us flag with his overtraining of the 86/87 teams...the team was like a well-oiled machine in August 87 but lost back-to-back against Hawks and Melb because they couldn't run out the game.

Woosha 2005? After the loss to the Swans the Eagles got quite wobbly.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
He failed in one crucial arena... he forgot that finals was where it counted. Particularly in 87 where he had the team peak at round 18, with three consecutive 30+ goal games in a row. We beat Melbourne by 6 goals at the G in round 12, but yet in the Semi we lost to the same team, same venue, by almost double that.

Being the searing cynicist that you are NMW, I would have thought you would have less support for this form of 'mediocrity'? For mine, its not so much the record of each coach that annoys me, its also the style. Both Eade and Hafey were what I call 'screamers' and that's all fine if you get results. IMO if you have to treat players like crap to get results, you deserve to get it back double when you fail as a coach.

I was very disappointed with the way Eade finished up at the Swans. I think he lost the players in his last few years. However, he did a great job before then and I think he's a very good coach. He'll be even better in his next time around now at the 'Dogs.

[swan_song]

For me, Rodney was a great coach to the point that either he couldn't impart anything more to the players, or they were not listening to him...I don't profess to know which. I only know that at the time that that point was reached, he had to be replaced. Thankfully, the board made the correct decision in appointing Roosie and his three-year plan has come to fruiition....or was it a five-year plan?

I was talking to a fellow swannie at the parade on friday about this...what is it with THIS goup of players that delivered a premiership, when we had star-studded teams in 86-87 and 96 to a lesser degree that couldn't...it came down to Roosie's coaching methods in the end we thought.

[Bas]

I think it was a belief in the players themselves. The formation of "The Bloods" was significant.

I'm sure they can take it up a level next year.