Swans related trade talk

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by william wallace
fosdike (despite his GF performance), just doesn't have the talent required in the midfield at AFL level.

I'd argue that he does, just that the SCG impedes it.

I wouldn't trade Saddington for Cupido. Cupido just hasn't proved anything at all. And I'd rather Malkeski was playing in his spot. Saddington for Ray Hall.

[liz]

Originally posted by william wallace
fosdike (despite his GF performance), just doesn't have the talent required in the midfield at AFL level.

If that were true (which it clearly isn't), why would the Hawks take him in part exchange for an AA ruckman?

If we could get Spider for Saddo and Fosdike, I'd take that. Both can play, both deserve to be at AFL level and can be solid contributors but neither will ever be a star.

It's always tough to contemplate letting go of a premiership player, but we do have youngsters capable of the role that Fosdike plays.

I'd just don't think the Hawks would go for it.

[Frog]

This morning's Hun, under the headline "D-day for Whitnall" the following text was at the end of the article ... It is NOT in the article on the web (sorry) ... Have to quote it then ...

"Player Manager Ron Joseph says Sydney premiership player Ryan O'Keefe was close to coming to terms with the Swans."

Also, in the same article: "In other trade news, the Western Bulldogs are rumoured to be keen on snaring Sydney utility Jason Saddington. A former student of Eade's, Saddington has told the club he wants to be traded."

[liz]

Originally posted by Frog

Also, in the same article: "In other trade news, the Western Bulldogs are rumoured to be keen on snaring Sydney utility Jason Saddington. A former student of Eade's, Saddington has told the club he wants to be traded."

WB and Saddo would be a good match, I reckon. Eade liked him a lot when he was at the Swans, and the Dogs lack for experienced, taller players.

Not quite sure what we'd want in return. They have a lot of small, quick players and an injection of pace wouldn't go amiss. We won't get any of their top rung of youngsters but maybe someone like McMahon might be obtainable.

[tez]

Would not consider any deal involving a Spida for O'keefe.

[Frog]

Originally posted by liz
Not quite sure what we'd want in return.

Doesn't have to be from the WB, there is always the 3-way deal - Who (from WB) would help the Hawks ?

[Charlie]

Saddington --> Dogs.

Picks 19 and 27 --> Hawthorn.

Everitt --> Sydney.

That basically says that Everitt has gone from picks 6 and 22 three years ago to picks 19 and 27 now. I can't see how Hawthorn - which is no chance of winning a premiership before Everitt retires - could regard that as a bad deal.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Saddington --> Dogs.

Pick 27 --> Tigers.

Ray Hall --> Swans.

[Charlie]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Saddington --> Dogs.

Pick 27 --> Tigers.

Ray Hall --> Swans.

Why?

Hall doesn't fit the team's priorities. We want a ruckman, first and foremost. That means that we're looking at Everitt, McLaren, McDonald and maybe Gardiner.

Giving up Saddington for Hall will make that quite hard.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by Charlie
Why?

Hall doesn't fit the team's priorities. We want a ruckman, first and foremost. That means that we're looking at Everitt, McLaren, McDonald and maybe Gardiner.

Giving up Saddington for Hall will make that quite hard.

Hall does fit the priorities. We have Leo Barry playing full back. He got beaten every third week. Another ruckman would be handy, McDonald could be good - Maybe trade our third rounder for him.

But trading for Everitt when we need another tall defender (Especially if we were to trade our only depth in the area (Saddington)) isn't right.

[Snowy]

I think that Spida would really only be worth it for a 2nd round pick and a fringe player. His age is too much a factor against him.

[Charlie]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Hall does fit the priorities. We have Leo Barry playing full back. He got beaten every third week. Another ruckman would be handy, McDonald could be good - Maybe trade our third rounder for him.

But trading for Everitt when we need another tall defender (Especially if we were to trade our only depth in the area (Saddington)) isn't right.

'Beaten every third week'?

What garbage. Leo has trouble with four players - Gehrig, Neitz, Lloyd and Richardson. In 2005, he got drew level with Lloyd (take out all his goals from dodgy frees, and Leo beat him fairly comfortably however). Richardson threatened to cut loose early in round 14, but once he was tied down the Swans almost pinched a game they had no right to pinch. Neitz was beaten in round five (despite Melbourne winning the game), and kicked a bag in round sixteen. Gehrig smashed Leo in round 10 (not that Leo had any help from the midfield), but Leo beat him in the prelim.

That amounts to two, maybe three times all year that Leo got beaten by his opponent, in 26 games. Well, guess what? All full-backs get beaten occasionally. It happens, and I guarantee it'll happen with Ray Hall more than it happens with Leo Barry.

[Frog]

Originally posted by Snowy
I think that Spida would really only be worth it for a 2nd round pick and a fringe player. His age is too much a factor against him.

Why does everyone keep harping on his age. Spider could give us 2 years (maybe 3) of good service. Provided we keep the current premiership group together (minus Ball, obviously), Spider would fill that (Ball) gap nicely ... and we'd have another crack in 2006/2007 ... Spider would relish it and give us 2 years of good service (in my opinion).
During that 2 years, we can see what stocks we have that can take over when Spider retires ... Now mind, there will be wholesale changes to the team that played in the premiership and the side that is going to play in 2008 (we're already talking about Kennelly going back, there's Willo, MOL and probably a couple of others)
Sydney will be going through a re-building phase in a couple of years ... May as well take what we can (of the premierships on offer) while we still can ... Spider would be welcome in my team anyday.
And, there is nothing stopping us from chasing both Spider AND a tall defender ... We have plenty of room under the salary cap - It's just a matter of where that clout will be used.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by Charlie
'Beaten every third week'?

What garbage. Leo has trouble with four players - Gehrig, Neitz, Lloyd and Richardson. In 2005, he got drew level with Lloyd (take out all his goals from dodgy frees, and Leo beat him fairly comfortably however). Richardson threatened to cut loose early in round 14, but once he was tied down the Swans almost pinched a game they had no right to pinch. Neitz was beaten in round five (despite Melbourne winning the game), and kicked a bag in round sixteen. Gehrig smashed Leo in round 10 (not that Leo had any help from the midfield), but Leo beat him in the prelim.

That amounts to two, maybe three times all year that Leo got beaten by his opponent, in 26 games. Well, guess what? All full-backs get beaten occasionally. It happens, and I guarantee it'll happen with Ray Hall more than it happens with Leo Barry.

I don't have time for this, I shouldn't have started it.

Would not Leo have better use on a flank than at FB? Aren't you worried that we have no-one to fill a key position if Leo, LRT or CBolton were injured?

[Charlie]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
I don't have time for this, I shouldn't have started it.

Neither do I, but it's better than doing my politics essay!

Would not Leo have better use on a flank than at FB? Aren't you worried that we have no-one to fill a key position if Leo, LRT or CBolton were injured?

Now you see, that's saying something entirely different to what you were saying a minute ago. You said he was 'beaten every third week' - even allowing for generalisation and exaggeration, that's nevertheless an implication that Leo isn't good enough for the role (despite the fact that without him, we wouldn't have won the flag).

I'm not opposed to recruiting for depth in defence. As I've said in the Ray Hall thread, if we can get him with a second rounder or a draft pick, then he's worth getting. He's just not the first priority. I'd rather get Everitt, and pick up Podsiadly with a late pick.