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  • Triple B
    Formerly 'BBB'
    • Feb 2003
    • 6999

    Playing injured players..

    Perhaps if the injury toll lengthens, Roos may have to, but at this stage a glaring (to me anyway) difference in philosophy between Roos and Eade is not playing injured players and letting the kids do the job until the regulars are ready.

    In both reserves threads I mentioned how Fixter had a terrible, no shocking, first half in the 2's on Sunday, timing and lack of field time being his enemy. Fortunately being in the 2's meant he just stayed on the field and worked through it and his second half was excellent, the Fixter we know.

    Now in the last couple of seasons the scenario would have been different. Fixter would have been rushed straight back into the seniors, Powell would have been dropped, hindering his development, Fixter would have had to contend with the same demons he had on Sunday with lack of timing. He would have been dragged and spent the rest of the game on the pine, no better off and no chance of regaining touch.

    End result: Powell disapointed about being dropped and an extra development game in the seniors lost. Fixter's confidence down low and not much chance of regaining touch whilst spending large amounts of time on the pine.

    Keep the faith Roosy.

    BTW. On 2UE last night Roosy was asked if Nicks would be fit. Roosy said he was, but will have to earn his spot through the 2's. That's the thing we need. None of these walk up starts for anybody, unless a half fit player can do a significantly better job than the guy who has covered for him.
    Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09
  • Mark
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Jan 2003
    • 578

    #2
    Especially when that player is lazy and desperately out of form.

    The last good game (not average or ok) i can remember Mathew playing was against St Kilda 2 seasons ago at SCG.

    I would be happy to be corrected here but i am struggling to remember a "Good" one since !!!!

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    • Charlie
      On the Rookie List
      • Jan 2003
      • 4101

      #3
      Be fair. He was consistently kicking 2 or 3 goals a match in the first half of last year.
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      • bricon
        On the Rookie List
        • Jan 2003
        • 277

        #4
        Originally posted by Mark
        The last good game (not average or ok) i can remember Mathew playing was against St Kilda 2 seasons ago at SCG.

        I would be happy to be corrected here but i am struggling to remember a "Good" one since !!!!
        Well the week <b>after</b> the 2001 St Kilda game at the SCG Nicks was BOG against Melbourne, in fact he also got 3 Brownlow votes for that game!

        Last year Nicks polled Brownlow votes in 4 rounds ? 3 votes in rounds 11 and 21 (WCE and Melbourne), 2 votes in round 19 (Kangaroos) and 1 vote in round 14 v Hawthorn. Nicks <b>may</b> have played a little better than you remembered, particularly in the 2nd half of last year.

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        • Reggi
          On the Rookie List
          • Jan 2003
          • 2718

          #5
          Spot on BBB.

          Rocket used to drive me insane - always bought into the side 'name' players with no form.

          Also used to drive senior guys into the ground by playing them injured. Nothing worse than watching unfit good players get torn up by duds coz they aren't fit.

          By finals time we were spent. Love Roos attitude on this, seems Roos is doing the right thing by not driving players like Schneider and at the other end Cresswell into the ground as well.

          Nicks needs to find form in the reserves - seeing as we are doing well at the moment with hard running, his laziness would drive the side backwards.

          Better if he stays out - play someone with a work ethic.
          Last edited by Reggi; 14 May 2003, 08:14 PM.
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          • Mark
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Jan 2003
            • 578

            #6
            Said i was happy to be corrected and admit i did not remember his contributions in games vs WCE, Melb & Roos.

            However, although not part of original post he only seems to perform against mediocre opposition. He is consistent in one thing his apparent laziness !

            I had high hopes for Nicks a few seasons ago, but he just does not perform and worse when out of touch does not put in either. A very bad combination.

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            • penga
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2003
              • 2601

              #7
              spot on BBB, i like the pressure placed on senior players by the rookies

              bricon, r u sure about the brownlow medal countdown???

              nicks got 7 possessions against melb, rd 21...

              meanwhile, bazza got 7 goals and cressa had a field day with close to goal of the year and 26 possessions

              nicks at best woulda got 1 vote, i dont even remember nicks popping up in that game at all!!! how did he get 3 votes???
              C'mon Chels!

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              • penga
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2003
                • 2601

                #8
                also against the kangaroos rd 19

                kelly got 28 possessions and 3 goals
                williams 26 possessions and 4 goals
                o'keefe with 4 goals and 16 touches

                nicks with 15 possessions and 2 goals

                and against melbourne 7 touches and 0 goals

                so, where did u get this brownlow stats from bricon? or are umpires more imcompetent than i thought???
                C'mon Chels!

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                • bricon
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                  • Jan 2003
                  • 277

                  #9
                  Originally posted by penga
                  so, where did u get this brownlow stats from bricon? or are umpires more imcompetent than i thought???

                  Oops!!! The Brownlow stats for Nick's 2001 and 2002 seasons that I quoted were reversed.

                  It still doesn't change the thrust of my post; that Nicks <b>has</b> played some excellent football since the St Kilda game in round 6 of 2001 but the years for the Brownlow vote details that I quoted were reversed.

                  The Brownlow vote details are available from the excellent (but difficult to navigate) website http://stats.rleague.com/afl/afl_index.html , the 2001 Brownlow votes are here and the 2002 votes are here

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                  • sharp9
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2508

                    #10
                    Cresswell, Mathews, Kirk, Goodes and Crouch polled brownlows on just one day each for the entire season!!!

                    Think we might turn that around this year

                    One each also to O' Keefe, Bennett, Dunkley
                    Fosdike 2
                    Kennelly 3
                    Kelly 5
                    Hall 6
                    Williams 7


                    Black 11 (BTW)
                    "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                    • penga
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2601

                      #11
                      Originally posted by bricon
                      Oops!!! The Brownlow stats for Nick's 2001 and 2002 seasons that I quoted were reversed.
                      hehe, i thought something was up

                      he only polled once last season and that was 3 votes rd 6 against melbourne... therefore he did have a shocker for the rest of the year!
                      C'mon Chels!

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                      • Mark
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 578

                        #12
                        Bricon,

                        In the light of your previous incorrect information on his Brownlow count and given that means he only had 1 good game the whole of last and this season (although i give you Brownlow is not only indication of form).

                        How can you justify:

                        "Nicks may have played a little better than you remembered, particularly in the 2nd half of last year"

                        or

                        "It still doesn't change the thrust of my post; that Nicks has played some excellent football"

                        Am i missing something or are you trying to justify the unjustifiable ?

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                        • bricon
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 277

                          #13
                          <b<Mark:</b> I acknowledged that my post concerning Nicks? 2001 and 2002 Brownlow counts was incorrect; in that the information regarding each year was reversed.


                          Originally posted by Mark
                          How can you justify:

                          "Nicks may have played a little better than you remembered, particularly in the 2nd half of last year"

                          or

                          "It still doesn't change the thrust of my post; that Nicks has played some excellent football"

                          Am i missing something or are you trying to justify the unjustifiable ?

                          The point is, that I was replying to your post, where you stated:

                          Originally posted by Mark
                          The last good game (not average or ok) i can remember Mathew playing was against St Kilda 2 seasons ago at SCG.
                          Although my reply was incorrect, in that the details of the 2001 and 2002 Brownlow votes were reversed, the fact remains that Nicks has received votes in 5 rounds since the 2001 St Kilda game that you cited as his last good game. The point is that he <b>has</b> played some good football since then ? gottit now?

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                          • Mark
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 578

                            #14
                            two or three good games over a season and a half ago !!!

                            As i thought justifying the unjustifiable, fair enough !

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                            • bricon
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 277

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mark
                              The last good game (not average or ok) i can remember Mathew playing was against St Kilda 2 seasons ago at SCG.
                              and


                              Originally posted by Mark
                              two or three good games over a season and a half ago
                              It took a while, but you finally gottit!

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