Carey's last goal

[Dave]

Where was that goal umpire from?

[sharpie]

Ok, I agree there were plenty of poor decisions by the umpires which went both ways.

BUT

I am sick and tired of the number of umpiring decisions against the Swans in the oppositions forward 50, which lead directly to goals. Yesterday, there were 3 noticeable ones - LRT's supposedly deliberate out of bounds, Schauble's "hold"(?) against Perrie, and Carey's "mark"(?) over the line at the end. 2 of these resulted in goals that should not have happened.

Now, I agree that Burton should have been awarded the mark when C.Bolton stole it from him. And yes we did get a goal from it, but it was not a direct goal from a bad decision - the swans still had to work to get the goal.

It happens every week, with Barry Hall and Mick getting pushed out for no free kicks in our forward 50, and then the opposition get easy free goals at the other end.

These umpires are completely incompetent.

[penga]

we arent gonna drop a game for the rest of the year, so dont worry bout it...

[JayTee]

Where was that goal umpire from?

That was my question too.

Do goal umpires get moved around interstate like the others or are they locals? And if so does that apply in the finals too?

[Sanecow]

I dunno where he's from but he should be umpiring in Port Augusta next week.

[floppinab]

Just watched it and Carey was clearly over the line - I looked at his feet - they were comfortably a metre outside the line.

Of course it matters not where his feet are, more that the ball has to be *completely* (not half, not a quarter but the whole ball) over the line after he has conclusively secured it in his hands.

I don't think it was that conclusive myself, 50/50 call at best (which indeed could have gone our way.......... for a change!!!)

[TheMase]

Re: Where was that goal umpire from?

Originally posted by JayTee
That was my question too.

Do goal umpires get moved around interstate like the others or are they locals? And if so does that apply in the finals too?

He was from South Australia

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by floppinab
Of course it matters not where his feet are, more that the ball has to be *completely* (not half, not a quarter but the whole ball) over the line after he has conclusively secured it in his hands.

I don't think it was that conclusive myself, 50/50 call at best (which indeed could have gone our way.......... for a change!!!)

Of course it matters where the feet are. If your feet are a metre behind the line, then the only way you could possibly stop the ball coming in is to have your arms stretched straight out in front. As it was, his arms were on an incline as he was behind Schauble, so the ball most likely passed over the line.

[Sid]

The unfairness lies in the fact that if it was Bazza treating his marker like that, he would get penalised straightaway.

Saddington played on him pretty poor because they are not really a good match up. Saddo is way to skinny for carey, giving carey a big advantage. We should have put Schaubs on him more i reckon.

As for the carey goal, there was no doubt that it was a behind.

[swan_song]

Well, BBBH might like to keep "doing a Carey" in his repertoire for the grand final...(that one along with "doing a Lloydie") ... I see it now...Micky kicks miskicks from 50m, it goes over the point line, Bazza sticks his mits up, everyone including the goal umpire stands agog as one actually sticks...he runs out over the point line into play...lines em up and through the hi diddle diddle.....we're 2 ponts behind...20 seconds to play...Bazza throws himself to the ground in an unconvincing manner as if he were starring in Home and Away, Goldspink runs in from 50 metres away and awards him another kick...Swannies win the GF by four poi.....
Oh ****...is that the alarm going off......

whats the chances eh?

[Pink_Lady]

If this happened I think I'd have a heart attack before the final siren (it was bad enough in round 18 not a G.F). All said and done as Roosey said, it's not like the umpire will come out today and say 'my bad, Swans win' as much as we all would have liked the umpire to be wearing his glasses, it seemed they came off when he paid that free kick against Schauble and spent the rest of the match looking for them. But as most of you have said it was DEFINITELY over the line....COULD HAVE been the difference....

[TheHood]

What really steams up my boiler room is that Wayne Carey is such a dishonest person! Not just a dishonest player but a dishonest person.

As that ball sailed through for a point, almost all league players would have simply caught the ball, put it down and ran back to position for the Swan's kick-in.

Most people who don't have an ingrained dishonesty would not have contemplated a blatant cheating move. That is why Wayne Carey is a hated man. I can't bring myself to sing his praises after that performance. I don't blame the umpire (completely), Carey lied and cheated.

Wayne crushed his wife's trust and now he has crushed mine!

As for Saddo, I said all that needed to be said through the week. What was he doing body on body with Carey, he should have played just one step behind for the punch and when the forward line was open, he should have played a step ahead. It's not an easy job whichever way you look at it, but Jason was not up to the task.

On the positive side, what a great performance from the boys after Quarter time. I thought Nick Davis was excellent in the first half, Jude was great all day, Tadhg was thrilling, Mick and Baz worked hard all day on a good defensive unit and LRT warmed my heart no end.

It reminded me of Collingwood's marginal loss to Port last year and look at the intestinal fortitude it built in their unit to take them to the Grannie.

[Ruda Wakening]

Originally posted by TheHood
What really steams up my boiler room is that Wayne Carey is such a dishonest person! Not just a dishonest player but a dishonest person.

As that ball sailed through for a point, almost all league players would have simply caught the ball, put it down and ran back to position for the Swan's kick-in.

Most people who don't have an ingrained dishonesty would not have contemplated a blatant cheating move. That is why Wayne Carey is a hated man. I can't bring myself to sing his praises after that performance. I don't blame the umpire (completely), Carey lied and cheated.

Wayne crushed his wife's trust and now he has crushed mine!

I can't belive you can draw a comparison between Wayne and Sally Carey, and what he got away with yesterday ...

So if the positions were reversed, and it was a Sydney player who got away with it, you'd complain, or expect him to show a good old fashioned display of honesty, even if it means you can practically say goodbye to your teams finals aspirations ? I wouldn't, i'd be happy to take the points . Doing what Carey did, doesn't make him dishonest, it makes him experienced, and smart enough to try it . The umpire could've pulled him up, but he didn't . So how you can't blame him is beyond me . As much as you probably hate hearing it, one of the biggest lessons to come out of yesterday was, never underestimate a champion . Even if he is getting long in the tooth, and even if he is half broken down . More importantly, especially if his name's Wayne Carey .

[TheHood]

Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
I can't belive you can draw a comparison between Wayne and Sally Carey, and what he got away with yesterday ...

So if the positions were reversed, and it was a Sydney player who got away with it, you'd complain, or expect him to show a good old fashioned display of honesty, even if it means you can practically say goodbye to your teams finals aspirations ? I wouldn't, i'd be happy to take the points . Doing what Carey did, doesn't make him dishonest, it makes him experienced, and smart enough to try it . The umpire could've pulled him up, but he didn't . So how you can't blame him is beyond me . As much as you probably hate hearing it, one of the biggest lessons to come out of yesterday was, never underestimate a champion . Even if he is getting long in the tooth, and even if he is half broken down . More importantly, especially if his name's Wayne Carey .

This says more about your character than The Duck's IMO.

Back to the main issue, you might think of him as a crafty old fox but I don't. Did you think of him as a crafty old fox for getting away with Kellie on the side for as long as he did before he got caught too.

I reckon Wayne Carey has been a great player for a long time and I reckon Matt Lloyd is a super kick for goal, but I did not like losing like that yesterday just like I did not like Lloydy taking a dive the way he did last week. I have no respect for The Duck at all.

And I don't need a lesson in remembering who is a champion player and I don't think Paul Roos does either. Do you think a 300+ game veteran would?

[floppinab]

Of course it matters where the feet are. If your feet are a metre behind the line, then the only way you could possibly stop the ball coming in is to have your arms stretched straight out in front. As it was, his arms were on an incline as he was behind Schauble, so the ball most likely passed over the line.

Yes, feet will give you a reference as to where the ball might be but are irrelevent as whether the ball was in play or not.

Have a close look, his right is probably about a metre back but his left is much closer maybe only 30 or 40cm away from the line. First touch on the ball is pretty much in front of the eyes, second is at full arms length in front of his chest. Remember that the whole ball must be over the line, 50/50 at best.