Nick Davis & Collingwood

[omnipotent]

Ruda you seem to take any criticism of Nick personally when all we want is for our team to succeed and some of us think he hasn't got the character to take us to the next level. I don't know why he was a loner but I do remember he rarely turned up at school and the other kids ridiculed him. He left school at a young age and I think that a longer education benefits people in their footy life as well. Maybe you are too young to remember anything about Craig Davis his father, but all footy nuts tell me that he was a very good player with an incredible work ethic. They tell me that Nick is a different character which affects the way he plays and thus he will never go near to being the player his father was. I actually thought his younger brother could play a bit but he didn't have the discipline required for AFL. I think he copped a great defender partly because of MOL's absence. I do agree that Malthouse seemed to want to keep him though, I will concede you that point.

[original swan]

Nick Davis

Nick Davis has played 95 games for 116 goals - not too bad,
Luke Power (Brisbane) has played 109 games for 134 goals:
interestingly very similar stats. But I dont hear Brisbane supporters bagging Power (and I know a number of them).

By the way our beloved Cresswell seems to think Davis is of top character - they are good friends after all (or would he make friends with anyone).

I say stuff this character crap talk and look at the statistics.

Collingwood were upset to lose him, were they silly too??

Need I keep going?

Davis fits a particular need in the TEAM.

I thought Roosy got rid of a certain ruckman due to character/discipline reasons - will he do the same to Davis?
I doubt it.

[stellation]

Originally posted by omnipotent
I don't know why he was a loner but I do remember he rarely turned up at school and the other kids ridiculed him.

Why on earth do you start talking about some poor kid being ridiculed at school? Because you "just want our club to succeed"? I played Australian Rules growing up in Sydney in the eighties, and I was ridiculed by the kids at school too... You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about something that has happened whilst you saw him growing up. If you are such a club supporter why would you want to be vindicated? Surely you would rather have him prove you wrong! I played a lot of football as a junior in Sydney, the way the system is structured up here you would never have seen enough of a young player to be able to comment with any authority on their character (which is an entirely subjective measure anyway) unless you were their parent. But you are entitled to your opinion, and you have made your point ...

In my opinion he is young, he is still growing up and was an excellent pickup for our club.

[omnipotent]

my observations about his playing as a junior were that he was a gun. Think his character might just stop him fulfilling his potential. that's all. And surely that means I have the club's best interests at heart. These days character is important as well as talent. Think you will find it is 117 goals, have been checking the stats today. I also thought that Ruda was a bit overzealous in defending him rather than her looking at the big picture for the club. I want what is best. If trading him helped us land a Brown or someone special I would do it.

[Mike_B]

Yep, is 117 goals according to my records.

[Diego]

We will reap the rewards of Nick Davis in the next couple of seasons. The guy has done a lot for the team this year even though he did fade out a little bit towards the end of the season.

Just knowing we have a gun player who can kick goals outside 50 puts a grin on my face.

Here is to Nick having a stellar 2004 and guiding us to a flag! Well done in your first year for the bloods Nick!

[BAM_BAM]

get over it omni. He has been good for us and will continue to be good for us.

[Ruda Wakening]

Originally posted by omnipotent
I also thought that Ruda was a bit overzealous in defending him rather than her looking at the big picture for the club. I want what is best. If trading him helped us land a Brown or someone special I would do it.

Ok Onmi, its pretty obvious you and i will never agree where Nick is concerned. It doesn't matter anyway, because bottom line is, he isn't going anywhere.

Don't start saying I'm being overzealous in defending him, just because i don't share the same opinon as you. Who the hell are you to assume i don't have the clubs best interests at heart, just because i'm not agreeing on what you've said? Jesus Christ, sorry Eddie .

Look at it this way ...
Paul Roos and his staff obviously don't agree with anything you've said about Nick either, because they pick him to play each and every week, and certainly won't be trading him . Does that mean they aren't acting in the best interests of the club, or aren't looking at the big picture?

[omnipotent]

Ok woman, you win, Nick will stay, he does have a lot of natural talent but I hope that he is able to play well for us in the big games, including finals. Woewodin only cost his team a few draft places more and compare his output. When your team surrenders a precious pick you want value. Providing he puts in a good pre-season and improves and makes a great contribution I won't complain, just think he has a way to go though and Reggi at least is on my side.

[caj23]

Maybe Nick will be happy that he wasn't part of a team that lost 2 grand finals in a row

[liz]

Originally posted by omnipotent
Woewodin only cost his team a few draft places more and compare his output. When your team surrenders a precious pick you want value.

a)Woewodin and Davis play very different roles in their respective teams so it's hard to compare their output.

b) The value will be measured over several years, not one.

c) Davis is four years younger than Woewodin and it is reasonable to expect he has improvement left in him yet (quite apart from the oft-mentioned lack of pre-season this year). Woewodin is in the age bracket that he should be at the peak of his career. Hard to see him getting any better.

d) Do you honestly think that if Davis had nominated for the National Draft he would still have been around at number 21 (or thereabouts)? That's round about where we have drafted Scott Stevens and Luke Ablett in recent years - and the jury is still very much out on those two. In terms of trade value the club got a bargain.

[omnipotent]

I guess you make a very valid point Liz but Woewodin has a very good head on his shoulders. He may be at his peak, but still had a stellar season and didn't cost them that much. I think the best thing for Davis to do, and Roos should help is for him to set up some goals to achieve. If you look at his whole record he has nothing against his name in terms of achievements. Goodes is starting to get there, yet they are at the same age. I saw him as a youngster as I said and he was really talented, it's just a pity the drive is missing and he has not performed to match it. Ruda Awakening perhaps you can help him set some goals. If he has something to aim for he might become more determined. Even aiming to get some Brownlow votes would be a start.

[liz]

Originally posted by omnipotent
I If he has something to aim for he might become more determined. Even aiming to get some Brownlow votes would be a start.

Better off aiming to win club B&F votes, actually. Far better reflection of overall contribution to the team for most players - though there's nothing wrong with polling 22 votes, is there Goodsey?

Maybe we should wait to see how Davis does in next week's count to get an idea of how the coaching staff think he went this year. My guess is that he'll finish around 10th-12th. Not spectacular, but not shoddy either, given the number of good, consistent performers for the Swans this year.

[sharpie]

Can anyone actually AIM to get brownlow points? Is it possible, other than by sleeping with or bribing the umpires? Do you actually think that Goodes went out there to score points from the umpire? That would be highly disappointing to find out that Goodes played for the umpires and not for the team, but I'm pretty sure he didn't, so I'm ok.

[gossipcom]

Originally posted by sharpie
Can anyone actually AIM to get brownlow points? Is it possible, other than by sleeping with or bribing the umpires?

Damn I thought you said sleeping with Eddie? I heard that's the way you win the Pies B&F

I think the players learnt their lesson in the Hawks match when they were expected to win and the senior players stated they didn't play like they were supposed to (aka stick to game plan) and that caused them to go belly-up.

I think Goodes summed it up after winning the Brownlow and they asked him if it was the biggest highlight of the year and he said it's only been half hour so it hasn't sinked in but the biggest highlight was actually the Port Adelaide match because of it being a team effort.

So anyone who thinks these players are only playing for themselves have to have a strong hard look at themselves.