Saddington

[caj23]

The possibility that Saddington may be part of the deal to lure the #2 pick off Carlton raises a few questions:

1. What else are we going to have to give away to get the pick? I can't imagine that the Blues would be all that thrilled with Saddington and two duds, so what do we have to offer them in terms of players?

Nicks, Seymour, Warfe, Stevens? Doesn't seem to be alot there

I guess it depends how highly Pagan rates Saddington

In our favour we've had a great record against Pagan coached teams so players like Nicks may have a higher standing.

The 2nd question is who would we take with no 2?

Bradley is the only realistic tall option, but looks a couple of years away from seniors (i.e. another skinny tall like powell, hunt etc).

Or do we take a Tenace or Sylvia who may get a crack at beaking straight into the senior team?

And thirdly, is Saddington expendable and how will it affect our defence? Given how well our defence stood up will Powell or Stevens simply replace Saddington's role as a 3rd tall?

I doubt that Carlton will take this trade anyway, but if so what are peoples thoughts?

[Charlie]

I don't think we could trade him anyway? Isn't he covered by the Heffernan Rule?

If he wasn't, and we got #2 for Saddington... I'd be laughing all the way to the bank!

[robbieando]

Charlie the rule doesn't come into place until next year, so we can infact trade Saddo.

[Reggi]

Originally posted by Charlie
I don't think we could trade him anyway? Isn't he covered by the Heffernan Rule?

If he wasn't, and we got #2 for Saddington... I'd be laughing all the way to the bank!

This is the bit that always amuses me - why people get excited about trading a quality player for a pick - and essentially an unknown quantity

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by Reggi
This is the bit that always amuses me - why people get excited about trading a quality player for a pick - and essentially an unknown quantity

He's not a quality player though, he's average.

I agree with you Charlie, I would be the happiest man alive!

[Reggi]

M K M H D
1998 22 22 163 68 102 265
1999 22 23 216 108 156 372
2000 22 21 192 98 144 336
2001 22 23 162 89 125 287
2002 22 22 152 99 159 311
2003 22 14 83 58 80 163
Totals 125 968 520 766 1734 33 24 18 116 72 48


Rubbish Saddo is a good player who just had his worst season - same thing that last year had people calling for the removal of Goodes and Bolton.

The All Australian panel said he was unlucky to miss out in 2001.

Can still remember early this year when Melbourne radio were talking about how important he had been in turning it around for us - then he was injured - and not the same player.

As an example in rnd 6 he played on Tarrant who was red hot - having taken 46 marks in the previous four weeks - Saddo played one of the great individual games of the season. By the last qrtr he was absolutely spent - Tarrent did kick a lot late - but by then it was all over - and only because Saddo had nothing left to give.

Seems that people have very very short memories

[Ruda Wakening]

Originally posted by Reggi
This is the bit that always amuses me - why people get excited about trading a quality player for a pick - and essentially an unknown quantity

Exactly

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
Exactly

Exactly

[Craig]

Originally posted by Plugger46
He's not a quality player though, he's average.

I agree with you Charlie, I would be the happiest man alive!

Exactly right.

Would love to see this trade go ahead.

[chammond]

Putting aside personal prejudices about Saddington, this kind of trade involving swapping an established player for a draft pick is very risky.

In this instance, Saddington is highly respected in the club, and, barring career-stopping injuries, will probably play 250 games for the Swans. Throughout his career he has been one of the top ten in the team, and there's no reason to think that he can't regain that form.

Compared to that, even top ten rated draft selections rarely produce 200 to 250 gamers. And coming up with a 'good' (100 games plus?) player from a very early draft pick is only about even money.

Unless Saddington wants to return to Victoria for some reason, I wouldn't like to see the Swans taking such a gamble with our future.

[DST]

All absolute garbage, Saddington is going nowhere.

The player knows it, the coach knows it and the club knows it.

As Reggi has pointed out Saddington has had his worst year ever this year, but in the past has been one of our best despite being played on taller and stronger players.

If the football department listened to half the crap that is written about players on this board, we would not have Goodes, Bolton, Matthews and 20 other blokes running around for us.

If the club can attract an experienced CHB in the next couple of weeks and if Heath James gets on the list and plays a bit of footy next year, you will no doubt see Saddington playing a different role next year on the wing or even for short bursts as ruck rover which he will be more suited to.

DST

[Craig]

Originally posted by DST

If the football department listened to half the crap that is written about players on this board, we would not have Goodes, Bolton, Matthews and 20 other blokes running around for us.

I have never heard anyone saying Goodes should go?? Iam and have always been huge fans of Goodes and Jude, they are both excellent and skillful players.

Saddington is a quality player, there is no doubt. The downside is that to play as a key defender he lacks the strength and agression required.

It disturbs me to see a player of Saddington's size not be able to hold down a key position when smaller players such as C Bolton and Leo do it regularly. Tall defenders are pretty rare and to have them playing on a flank or wing is not a luxury we can afford.

I therefore think he is worthy of trading and if we are able to secure a good draft pick or quality player then we will be better off.

[chammond]

I have never heard anyone saying Goodes should go??

You need to pay more attention then.

Last season, and particularly during the first half of the season, there were roughly the same number of experts on this board calling for Goodes' head as are now getting stuck into Saddington (possibly even some of the same experts?).

[DST]

Originally posted by Craig
I have never heard anyone saying Goodes should go?? Iam and have always been huge fans of Goodes and Jude, they are both excellent and skillful players.

Saddington is a quality player, there is no doubt. The downside is that to play as a key defender he lacks the strength and agression required.

It disturbs me to see a player of Saddington's size not be able to hold down a key position when smaller players such as C Bolton and Leo do it regularly. Tall defenders are pretty rare and to have them playing on a flank or wing is not a luxury we can afford.

I therefore think he is worthy of trading and if we are able to secure a good draft pick or quality player then we will be better off.

However I suggest you have come to that conclusion on Saddington based on this year alone, he has in the past done very good jobs on players of his size and weight.

It is not his fualt, for want of a lack of a big scarey CHB we have had to play him on strong players. You don't just throw out capable players becuase they do not play well on one type of opponent, you play them elsewhere which Roos will no doubt do.

DST

[Craig]

Originally posted by DST
However I suggest you have come to that conclusion on Saddington based on this year alone, he has in the past done very good jobs on players of his size and weight.

It is not his fualt, for want of a lack of a big scarey CHB we have had to play him on strong players. You don't just throw out capable players becuase they do not play well on one type of opponent, you play them elsewhere which Roos will no doubt do.

DST

I have come to my conclusion based on the last couple of years. It would be stupid to base it on this year alone as he has missed a fair bit of footy through injury.

Throwing out is a funny term, I thought that would have meant delisting. Trading Saddington for the number 2 pick would enable us to hopefully draft a potential KPP that is able to match it with the best. Good draft picks and quality players don't come from nowhere. You have to give somehting up to get them. It's about improving the for future years.