Saddington

[sharpie]

Saddo was a 1st round draft pick IIRC. When drafting a teenager, the best you can be is "hopeful" that he will meet his "potential". I would suggest there is far more chance that Saddo can get his form together next year, and for years to come, than there is that a draft pick will do the same.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Saddo has missed large parts of the season through injurie, you cant throw away a proven player for a potential star.

[liz]

Originally posted by chammond
Putting aside personal prejudices about Saddington, this kind of trade involving swapping an established player for a draft pick is very risky.

In this instance, Saddington is highly respected in the club, and, barring career-stopping injuries, will probably play 250 games for the Swans. Throughout his career he has been one of the top ten in the team, and there's no reason to think that he can't regain that form.

Compared to that, even top ten rated draft selections rarely produce 200 to 250 gamers. And coming up with a 'good' (100 games plus?) player from a very early draft pick is only about even money.

Unless Saddington wants to return to Victoria for some reason, I wouldn't like to see the Swans taking such a gamble with our future.

I half agree, half disagree.

While any draft pick is a gamble, fact is that clubs do try to trade for higher draft picks and you do have to give something up to get something.

It's often not so much about an individual player but the balance of the squad. If (and it's a hypothetical 'if') the coaching staff believe we have an oversupply of tallish, slightly built defenders and are in desperate need of a strong, ball-winning midfielder then it might make sense to offload one of the defenders to get a better pick, particularly if you have a youngster in mind who you think won't last to no 16 in the draft.

If, say, the club has set it's sights on someone like Brock McLean or Colin Sylvia, it might make sense to trade up in the draft. I can't see the point of doing it to get another skinny potential KPP who will take years to develop, but a strongly built midfielder could have an impact in the next two years.

Saddo is a quality player and it's for that reason that he might be the one to use. None of the rest would have much trade currency. Yes it would be a gamble, but it's the kind of gamble clubs do seem to be prepared to take.

Having said all that, I would be surprised to see Saddo traded. The fact that the club signed him up long-term only a few months ago indicates he's probably part of their long-term plans.

[Steve]

I gather Carlton has put out the call for offers on pick 2, the proviso being that they are young and a KPP. With the top 5+ players in the draft all midfielders the Blues are most likely prepared to pass up a gun midfielder to add to their depleted tall stocks.

The speculation about Saddington is/was either:

i) baseless
ii) thrown up by Carlton as an example of what was necessary
iii) started by Sydney to see if it would be sufficient

The only way I could see the club would be interested is if the club had massive raps on one of Ray, Walker, Tenace, Sylvia or Dunn - all 5 are inside midfielders to different degrees, and are very likely to be the first 6 midfielders picked.

I notice Brock McLean spoke with Adelaide (pick 14), Port (15), Sydney (16), Brisbane (18) and Richmond (seems they'll trade pick 6, with their next one at 21) - it seems as though there's a consensus that he might slip through to the late first round.

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by Reggi
M K M H D
1998 22 22 163 68 102 265
1999 22 23 216 108 156 372
2000 22 21 192 98 144 336
2001 22 23 162 89 125 287
2002 22 22 152 99 159 311
2003 22 14 83 58 80 163
Totals 125 968 520 766 1734 33 24 18 116 72 48


Rubbish Saddo is a good player who just had his worst season - same thing that last year had people calling for the removal of Goodes and Bolton.

The All Australian panel said he was unlucky to miss out in 2001.

Can still remember early this year when Melbourne radio were talking about how important he had been in turning it around for us - then he was injured - and not the same player.

As an example in rnd 6 he played on Tarrant who was red hot - having taken 46 marks in the previous four weeks - Saddo played one of the great individual games of the season. By the last qrtr he was absolutely spent - Tarrent did kick a lot late - but by then it was all over - and only because Saddo had nothing left to give.

Seems that people have very very short memories

I always thought Saddo was going to be a quality footballer, but he's continually not lived up to expectation.

'Saddo played one of the great individual games of the season' Tarrant kicked 5 (his 2nd highest goal tally in a game for the season). If you'll remember correctly we outclassed Collingwood in the midfield for the first 3 qtrs, and hence we were 7 goals or so in front at the last change. Therefore the supply to Tarrant was appalling in the first 3 qtrs. In the last qtr, Collingwood got on top of us in the middle, and Saddo went to water, Tarrant kicked 4 or 5 in the last term, and at one stage looked like he was going to drag the pies accross the line at one stage.

Melbourne Radio? Surely you've learnt by now that the Melbourne Media get just about everytihng wrong about our football club. We really missed him during the year when he was out didn't we...
I mean we didn't lose too many games without him. while he was on the sidelines. As soon as he came back he copped a belting from players such as Carey (Carey's best individual game for the year), Rawlings, Brown, I think he may have even started on on Croad (I may be wrong), when Croad got his only kicks for the year.

I do not have a short memory, I just think Saddo has been overrated for ages. I hope he bites me on the arse, but I very much doubt he will.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Im always hoping Saddo can do that little bit extra but when you have a disrupted season like he has it would be hard to find some form

[jude_boltons_babe]

id love jason to stay at the swans

im not sure how true but on the dees board it looks like they are wanting jason saddington on there list next year has anyone else heard about this

[NMWBloods]

There's been a bit of discussion in the paper of Saddo going to the Dees, swapping for one of their backmen (Paul Wheatley I think). I would think that the Swans would more out of it than just him though.

[Bear]

Originally posted by chammond
You need to pay more attention then.

Last season, and particularly during the first half of the season, there were roughly the same number of experts on this board calling for Goodes' head as are now getting stuck into Saddington (possibly even some of the same experts?).

Yes there were a lot wanting to trade Adam Goodes twelve to eighteen months ago - quite simply there are a lot of supporters who have NFI when it comes down to it.

Most were also questioning Leo Barry (they were wrong).

There were also a lot calling for Frosty and Warfe to go (they were right).

and yes, there are currently a lot questioning Saddo.

So no matter what you throw together, you can support or weaken your argument.

There is a big difference between Saddo and Goodes though. One is a gun (proved it a few years ago, and again in the last two years with 3rd and 1st in B&F). The other has failed year after year to deliver in the position we need (CHB). If we can get a good trade - do it, otherwise, play him in the HBF or Wing position cos he ain't a key defender. If you can't see that by now you're kidding yourself.

[liz]

Originally posted by Bear
Yes there were a lot wanting to trade Adam Goodes twelve to eighteen months ago - quite simply there are a lot of supporters who have NFI when it comes down to it.

Most were also questioning Leo Barry (they were wrong).

Don't forget Jude Bolton and Micky O'Loughlin

[chammond]

Don't forget Jude Bolton and Micky O'Loughlin

and Ben Mathews,

and Andrew Schauble,

and Nic Fosdike,

and, to a lesser extent, Barry Hall and Jason Ball.

[Nico]

P46, on Saddo, I always said you were a shocking judge of a footballer.

[SWANSBEST]

Saddo will be staying with the Swans . A few clubs are keen on him but why should he move. He had an injury interrupted season and did not perform to his normal high standards but why swap him for some unknown quantity. He has strong leadership qualities and will have a long career at the Swans . Some of our supporters are too keen to discard quality players too readily. Have a little faith !!!!

[BAM_BAM]

I can't see the club signing him to such a long term contract, only to try and trade him. He has a future with us. I hope it's a big one.

[jixygirl]

I had no idea that Saddington was being considered as trade bait with Carlton for pick 2. After reading this thread, I think he won't go and he shouldn't go. The main reasons are that the idea is not based on anything and that if you look over the rest of the years that Saddo's played, this has been a lean year and he's played reasonable footy over the past couple of years. I say keep him, at least for another year.