Betheras - open to offers

[bricon]

Unless a recruit is a champion (or near champ, like Mal Michael) we shouldn?t consider them unless they are a long-term prospect ? potentially 6+ years or more with the club. Second raters, like Betharas, will only take up valuable list space that would be better used by a kid with potential.

Unless were talking about players like Voss or Lloyd falling into our laps at an acceptable cost (like Plugger and Roosey did) forget ?em ? we?re better off developing our own list. We?ve tried the path of bolstering our list with hacks, injury prone players and second raters ? there?s no long-term future in that ? leave that course to clubs like Richmond.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by bricon
We?ve tried the path of bolstering our list with hacks, injury prone players and second raters ? there?s no long-term future in that ? leave that course to clubs like Richmond.

Agreed.

[ugg]

Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
Wasn't Brett Kirk a similar case ? Martin Pike was delisted. Theres been plenty of them who have gone on to prove they weren't too washed up after all .

I'm not saying each club should fall over themselves to get " washed up hacks " , but i am saying that sometimes some of the players who are delsited, are actually capable of taking a wealth of knowledge with them to a NEW club, and they usually come at a bargain price.

Brett Kirk is a different situation, he was never with another AFL club, and hence never had the opportunity to prove himself at the top level before. And I believe Pike was delisted for behavioural problems?

Anyway for every Pike there are numerous Bomfords, O'Connors, Allisons and Russells that end up lasting only a season or 2.

[liz]

Originally posted by ugg
Brett Kirk is a different situation, he was never with another AFL club,

Agree - BK was completely different. He joined the Swans as a 21 or 22yo via the rookie list. Hardly a case of recruiting someone else's discards.

[Reggi]

dud

[Nico]

Betheras, give me a break. He was dragged against us in Melbourne this year for pulling out of a contest. I don't believe he got another run that day.

He did it again later in the season, and was on the outer from then on.

Tough in and under player my ....."aaaask my mother for sixpence".

[Ruda Wakening]

Originally posted by lizz
Agree - BK was completely different. He joined the Swans as a 21 or 22yo via the rookie list. Hardly a case of recruiting someone else's discards.

He mightn't have been any other clubs reject, but if he wasn't at one stage delisted by the Swans (?), he must have gone very close to it ( remember I'm pretty new to your team, so forgive me as I don't know every single stat known to man ). If he was at one point delisted, or went close to it, can someone tell me why ?

Anyway, my point was more along the lines of because some players are sent packing by some clubs, it doesn't always mean they haven't got something to offer others .

Um, I wasn't exactly suggesting Rupert was stiff in the Brownlow either . Just that there's a lot worse than him on offer .

[liz]

Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
He mightn't have been any other clubs reject, but if he wasn't at one stage delisted by the Swans (?), he must have gone very close to it ( remember I'm pretty new to your team, so forgive me as I don't know every single stat known to man ). If he was at one point delisted, or went close to it, can someone tell me why ?

I guess most fringe players (as he has been off and on) will go close to being delisted at times, but I don't recall anything specifically mentioned about Kirk being close to the chop. He (and Roos) did mention at the B&F this year that Kirk was told halfway through last year that senior opportunities might be harder to come by, but I guess he showed 'em!

[swan_song]

I think we should trade for Rupert TheBareAss and while we're talking to Eddie McChin, put in an offer for that GF clown, Grease Shaw....LOL

[pillowtalk]

because some players are sent packing by some clubs, it doesn't always mean they haven't got something to offer others .

Exactly eg C Bolton. Brisbane told him that he would have limited opportunites in the Senior side so didn't show him much faith, and look how he's turned out for us !

Though I don't think we need to take someone on who's position can already be filled by someone we've got.

[sharpie]

When Roosy took over last year, Kirk had played about as many games during the season as Macpherson did this year. He was Gawn if he didn't excel in the latter part of that season. He took a huge step up under Roos, and we know the rest of the story. Yes, he would have been very close to delisting at a point last year.

[DST]

Originally posted by ugg
Bring Powell or Hunt into the side, or chuck Stevens back there if he's still around. I'd rather play a youngster than have some discard from another club blocking his development.

This type of statement is absolute nonsense.

Beaumont is not going to hold up the development of either Hunt or Powell. If they are good enough to play in the team then they will get a position in the team.

The only thing you get from playing young KP players before they are ready is them going backwards in their development not forwards. The coaching staff will know if and when these players are capable of being played.

Clubs like St Kilda have shown that playing kids when they are not ready only get you one thing, big loses and more early draft picks. Dal Santo is one that shows this perfectly, we all know the kid can play but he was getting absolutely flogged early on and it was hampering his development. He went back to the reserves for an extended period of time and has now come back a player ready to play and continue his development.

DST

[footyhead]

Originally posted by DST

Every other team next year will be trying different things against us and they have now had a year to work out the Roos games plan and style. We need to keep moving and experimenting to stay ahead of the pack.

DST [/B]

I don't know that I completley agree here. Brisbane under Mathews could be accussed of being predictable. There is not a lot of players changing possitions during a game, or even during a seasone in that team. But they just play so well when they are on song. That is what we need to do . Play better than the other top teams in the league , when it matters most. IE most of the time, and especially in the finals and extra - especially in a Grand Final

[DST]

Originally posted by footyhead
I don't know that I completley agree here. Brisbane under Mathews could be accussed of being predictable. There is not a lot of players changing possitions during a game, or even during a seasone in that team. But they just play so well when they are on song. That is what we need to do . Play better than the other top teams in the league , when it matters most. IE most of the time, and especially in the finals and extra - especially in a Grand Final

Fair comments footyhead,

But the difference with Brisbane is that player for player they are the best team in the compertition and can rely on the players getting the job done irrespective of the stable game plan.

For us, I don't think player wise we have that quality yet through the 22 so we need to extract what we can by other means. Tinkering at the edges of the game plan (the game plan as a whole seems to work), experimenting with players in different roles etc will hopefully allow us to overcome a stable Brisbane in a cut throat final.

DST