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  • monopoly19
    Senior Player
    • Aug 2003
    • 1098

    "Tigers, Hall reach a stalemate"

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    4:46:57 PM Mon 17 November, 2003
    Samantha Lane
    afl.com.au


    Richmond has offered disgruntled Tiger Ray Hall a one-year deal in a bid to secure the young tall, who may yet chose to nominate for the pre-season draft in December.

    The Tigers are hopeful of coming to terms with Hall on Tuesday, despite initially publicising their intention to trade him in October.



    Hall is eager to return to his home state, New South Wales, but his relocation would be circumvented if Geelong or Melbourne, both of which are lacking key talls, use their picks in the pre-season draft to claim him before the Sydney Swans.

    Last week, Richmond football director Greg Miller said Hall?s chances of going to Sydney, which has a later selection than Melbourne and Geelong, were ?next to nil?. But should Hall decline the Tigers? offer, Richmond would receive no compensation for the loss of the adaptable 23-year-old.

    Tigers football manager Greg Hutchison said the club was now vigorously attempting to lure Hall back, but added it was not likely to extend the length of its offer.

    ?It seems unlikely, but who knows? We may be able to convince him and his manager in the next day or so that the one year deal might be a good option for him,? he told afl.com.au on Monday.

    ?He wants a two year deal from us, we obviously offered him a one year deal. He?s come back to us via his manager that he wants a two-year deal, so we need to sit down as a group and work out what we?re going to do. That?s where it?s at really.?

    Hall has not trained at Richmond at all since the players began pre-season work three weeks ago.

    ?He was obviously very disappointed about the fact that his name was floated around the trade time, and Greg (Miller) and he have discussed it with him and we understands how he feels. We didn?t want to put him through that, and we did. Unfortunately now we?re in a situation where we?ve got to do some solid work to get Ray back into the fold at the football club,? Hutchison said.

    Melbourne will have a pick in the pre-season draft before Geelong which in turn, has a selection before the Swans. Up to 13 clubs could have a selection in the pre-season draft before Sydney.

    Geelong football manager Garry Davidson said his club had not even had a formal discussion with Hall, and was not confident of its chances of securing him.

    ?It?s pretty well documented that we had some interest in him during the trade period and it didn?t come to be. And I guess as much as anything we?re going to be like Sydney and others in that we need to have Ray Hall nominate himself for that pre-season draft, which he hasn?t done,? Davidson said.

    ?If he does nominate I think he?d be the subject of discussion amongst our pre-season draft plans for sure. But at the same time, Melbourne has a pick before us, and they too are looking for taller players, so he might be an option for them.?

    In a bizarre twist, Hall has entered a business partnership with Miller and Richmond players Justin Blumfield and Mark Chaffey, who will open a juice bar in East St Kilda on Thursday. But Hutchison said the stalemate between Hall and the club had not caused any great friction.

    ?We were down there with him yesterday to have a trial run (at the juice bar) and he?s alright. He?s amiable, he?s talking to people, so there?s no big deal there. This is a business decision for Ray Hall at the moment, and I guess ultimately it?s a business decision for us as well,? Hutchison said.
  • Supernova7
    On the Rookie List
    • Apr 2003
    • 15

    #2
    ?He wants a two year deal from us, we obviously offered him a one year deal. He?s come back to us via his manager that he wants a two-year deal, so we need to sit down as a group and work out what we?re going to do. That?s where it?s at really.?

    Ah hah. He wants 'more' rather than wants 'out'. That changes everything. Sounds like a compromise may be around the corner.

    I know lots has been said about Hall on other threads but after reviewing the Round 10 clash with the Tigers recently I am changing my opinion of him.

    There is a subtle difference between a 'utility' type tall and a 'not really' type tall.

    A 'utility' tall is useful in many positions. A 'not really' tall is not really a ruckman, not really a forward, not really a defender. After having a look at 2003 performances I think that Ray may be closer to the latter.

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    • Rod_
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2003
      • 1179

      #3
      The chance of him being a world beater - nah, being servicable and handy backup ruckman (4th string) behind Ball, Goodes and Doyle - yeh Pinch hitter in the backline on a tall maybe for a game or 2. KKP in the forwards - who is going to move BBBH, Micky O or Schnider from Full forward line... Goodes or Ball if resting on the ground... Has the chance to improve under the Roosy training method....

      Bottom line (Law according to me....) If he is available as a draft selection when we have our turn (second round IMO) - if we want him get him - fairly basic. If we want him for a first round selection same deal - but I feel that there is a big gap in the pack from first round drafts and second picks.... Is he as good as some of the best talent that may be still there in the first round......

      Handy ready made player - Would give Adam Goodes a chance to have some real fun around the ground...... Not just a rucking contests

      Replace the in and under player that we lost first!

      Rod_

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      • SWANSBEST
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        • Jan 2003
        • 868

        #4
        Unfortunately .IMO we might have a similiar situation to the Aker fiasco where the Swans were used to get a better deal for the disgruntled player . It certainly seems that Hall is more interested in a 2 year deal with the Tigers rather than any real desire to move to the Swans. Hall is no Aker so I will not lose any sleep if he stays a Tiger.
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        • lizz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16778

          #5
          Originally posted by SWANSBEST
          Unfortunately .IMO we might have a similiar situation to the Aker fiasco where the Swans were used to get a better deal for the disgruntled player . It certainly seems that Hall is more interested in a 2 year deal with the Tigers rather than any real desire to move to the Swans. Hall is no Aker so I will not lose any sleep if he stays a Tiger.
          Maybe, though it might also be the case that Hall rates his chances of getting to Sydney as low, and would rather stay at Richmond than chance Geelong or Melbourne.

          Mind you, if he were desperate to come to the Swans then maybe he'd be better off with a one year contract so he can try again next year. Who knows?

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          • TheHood
            On the Rookie List
            • Jan 2003
            • 1938

            #6
            I reckon that The Dees (trouble at the top) and Geelong (too far to drive home to see your girlfriend) are just not attractive enough places to play footy compared to Punt Rd.

            I you ask me, all 3 are basket cases and that's why Sydney was his best option.

            What happened to the idea that he would price himself above Melbourne and Geelong's reach?

            Has it turned out that Ray isn't worth that much and the salary cap room of both these clubs is bigger than expected?

            I won't be crying in my beer if we don't get him.
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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #7
              Originally posted by TheHood
              Geelong (too far to drive home to see your girlfriend)
              He's also studying at Uni (not sure which one) so I hardly think he wants to relocate to Geelong anyway.
              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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              • sharpie
                On the Rookie List
                • Jul 2003
                • 1588

                #8
                The whole issue seems to be getting confused here a bit at the moment.

                At this point, we dont have to give up anything for him, unlike during the trading period. Therefore, if he is available when we have a pick in the Preseason Draft, then surely there is no question that we would take him.

                If he is not available, then it doesnt matter if we want him or not, we dont get him.
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                • Roscoe
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 458

                  #9
                  100% correct Sharpie. If we get him so be it. if he isn't available we take another uncontracted player or pick a young kid who wasn't drafted this sunday. we did the same a few years back when we grabbed Fixter in the PSD
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                  • chammond
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 1368

                    #10
                    curiouser and curiouser

                    Meanwhile, Richmond has said it will not contemplate recruiting Ray Hall back to the club in the pre-season draft if he chooses to leave Punt Road.

                    Hall and the Tigers appeared to be no closer to a rapprochement yesterday, a stand-off complicated by a one-year offer from Richmond, a two-year contract demand from Hall and a three-year offer from Sydney.

                    After being offered around by the Tigers during the trade period last month, Hall sought out the Swans, who have continued to woo him despite holding a late first-round pick in the pre-season draft.

                    The Tigers have been trying to make their peace with him and as recently as last week suggested that they might re-draft him if he decided to leave. Geelong, one of the clubs Richmond tried to trade Hall to, also has a pick before Sydney.

                    Yesterday, though, Richmond football manager Greg Hutchison removed the Tigers from Hall's path to Sydney and his home state of New South Wales in the likely event that he chose to make his exit.

                    "We'd like to think we can have it all wrapped up in the next 24 hours - one way or the other - so that we can all move on, hopefully together," Hutchison said. "But if Ray decides he's not going to play for us, we won't contemplate picking him in the pre-season draft. It doesn't make sense."

                    Hutchison said Richmond, which is waiting on an answer from Brisbane's Robert Copeland, needed to be convinced that a further offer to Hall would be in "the interests of all concerned".

                    The Tigers brought Copeland and his wife to Melbourne late last week.

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                    • DST
                      The voice of reason!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2705

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SWANSBEST
                      Unfortunately .IMO we might have a similiar situation to the Aker fiasco where the Swans were used to get a better deal for the disgruntled player . It certainly seems that Hall is more interested in a 2 year deal with the Tigers rather than any real desire to move to the Swans. Hall is no Aker so I will not lose any sleep if he stays a Tiger.
                      This is definately not the case.

                      I ran into Ray Hall on Sunday (he lives three houses up from my brother in law who used to play with him) and asked him about what was going on.

                      One thing is for sure he does not want to go back to Richmond to play but the issue is whether he can get to his desired destination in Sydney, although with the way things are falling (ie Richmond after Copeland and Morrison available for Geelong) he was confident if he goes the draft he will end up in Sydney.

                      But saying all that he did not rule out having to go back to Richmond for one year and then trying again after that, although one would suggest if he has a reasonable year (which he would want to impress the Sydney coaching staff) his price demanded by Richmond may increase from this year.

                      All up a simple case of Sydney want him, Ray wants Sydney but as stated we will just have to wait and see come PSD, but our chance would be better than 75% to get him.

                      DST
                      "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                      • lizz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16778

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DST
                        and Morrison available for Geelong
                        Has Morrison been delisted by the Lions? If so, he is eligible for the National Draft and there may be several clubs interested in his services. If he goes in the ND he won't be an option for Geelong in the PSD.

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                        • caj23
                          Senior Player
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 2462

                          #13
                          morrisson does not have to nominate for the ND if he doesn't want to

                          he is in the same situation as craig bolton last year who the swans advised to go in the psd to ensure that we were able to snaffle him

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                          • SWANSBEST
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 868

                            #14
                            Morrison has been deisted by the Lions. See previous posts. Richmond did state that they wished to sign Copeland and were interested in Morrison and also retain Hall. This may well be very wishful thinking.
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                            • SWANSBEST
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                              • Jan 2003
                              • 868

                              #15
                              Lizz, The article mentions that the Swans were interested in Morrison during the draft period.





                              Dees plan trap to get Copeland
                              19 November 2003 Herald Sun
                              Darren Cartwright

                              MELBOURNE is prepared to upset the best-laid plans of Brisbane Lions dual premiership tagger Robert Copeland and deny him free passage to Richmond by snaring him in the pre-season draft.

                              Copeland's manager Ron Joseph said it was highly likely his 22-year-old client would nominate for the pre-season draft, with Richmond his preferred destination.

                              "I would say he is heading to the pre-season draft, although it's not locked away," Joseph said.

                              "However, the Tigers do not have the first live pick in the pre-season draft."

                              But what Copeland wants and what he gets may be two different things, with Melbourne keen on the 52-gamer.

                              With Jade Rawlings (Hawthorn) heading to the Western Bulldogs and Nick Stevens (Port Adelaide) most likely to be aligned with Carlton early next week, Melbourne will have the first live pick on December 16.

                              Demons football manager Danny Corcoran said they would have no hesitation in claiming Copeland, the only uncontracted player on the Lions' list.

                              "We are in discussions with Ron Joseph," Corcoran said.

                              "We've said all along we have several options for the pre-season, but we will take the best player available when we have our pick."

                              Lions chief executive Michael Bowers was hopeful Copeland, who has only recently married and built a house at Redcliffe, would remain at the club.

                              While he has played 52 matches since making his debut in 2001 and has been promised time in the Tigers' midfield, he has played mainly defensive roles at Brisbane.

                              He has collected no more than 16 possessions in any game and is recognised more for his discipline and tagging skills than ball gathering.

                              As an uncontracted player, Copeland must nominate for the pre-season draft by December 2. He can do so as early as Sunday after Saturday's national draft.

                              Delisted Lion Shane Morrison has until 2pm today to nominate for the national draft.

                              If overlooked, he can still be recruited in the pre-season draft.

                              Morrison, 22, played five games in two seasons at the Lions and attracted the interest of Sydney and Richmond during trade week.

                              He asked to be delisted to allow him to find a new home.

                              The Brisbane Lions begin their quest for a historic fourth consecutive premiership today when pre-season training for next season starts.

                              A club spokesman said several key Brisbane players would not make an appearance at the voluntary session because of long service, injury or representative duties.

                              The first compulsory session will take place on December 8.



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