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  • Nico
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 11339

    #16
    Another view on the individuals.

    Wouldn't worry too much about the seniors. All had polished disposal apart from Saddo, who you would reckon by now could pick someone out when under no pressure 20 metres clear. By the way he still hasn't worked out that when you are playing from behind you go the punch.

    Luke Ablett - was looking to him to impose himself in the midfield. Very disaponiting for mine.

    Sunqvuist - soft. Again, like Ablett, thought he might put his hand up for a senior spot. No way he is a senior AFL footballer. Awful sloppy disposal. Persists in pussy little kicks, "when he gets it".

    Buchanan - I thought he was the real standout improver. Slow to start in backline (not a backman) but really made a statement in the last half. Is now way ahead of Ablett and Sunnny and if he keeps improving will be the surprise packet that we hope for.

    Dempster - did a couple of good things but looked slow to me and didn't seem to run much to contests. Be nice to see him keep his feet.

    Hunt - As Ron Barrassi says, at least look like a footballer. Get a haircut and have a shave. Did a few good things but another who loves the feel of grass.

    McVeigh - did enough to be included in the seniors as a developing player. Looks like he will be able to run all day. Decent kick which is a plus.

    Potter and Bevan are probably in their right spot at the moment.

    Wlloughby - next year.

    Rogers - Yes.

    Schmidt - Hasn't played much footy since under 16's but is built like the preverbial brick outhouse. Did a couple of good things. Could very well be something with a bit more footy.

    Meikeljohn - Did not win a hitout and took 1 mark in defence. Would have to improve dramatically to make the grade, although for a big man you would hope he could get some"touch" later in the season. Not a great fan of his. Looks in the Mott/John mould.

    Schneider is a star.

    The disappointing aspects were that a lot of players lacked hard running and went to ground at a contest and consequently got pinged for hatching it.
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    • Jeffers1984
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 4564

      #17
      Originally posted by Nico
      By the way he still hasn't worked out that when you are playing from behind you go the punch.

      I reckon! Not only did he play from behind but was falling over at the same time and still went for the mark! The bloke kicked the resulting goal

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      • robbieando
        The King
        • Jan 2003
        • 2750

        #18
        Originally posted by Mike_B
        On top of that, the 2 guys who really killed us today were Fevola and Camporeale who both played pretty much the entire game.
        This is why I think Carlton looked so good, in all honesty if we had a full side in, the midfield of Carlton wouldn't have had the game it had, for starters today our midfield failed to put any pressure on Carlton and as a result, Carlton could pin point whoever they wanted up forward (most of the time Fevola). If Willo and Jude were playing it would of been a different story, plus what defence we did have didn't have a club what their role was, thus Schauble and Rogers were at time left one on one with Fevola. On Campo, if we had Crouch playing he would of had less room to move, plus Stevens who did play well would of normally had Kirk on him, In short during the normal season the Carlton midfield wouldn't of had the room to move as they did today.

        On a separate note, Saddo showed again that there needs to be a fine system in place where if he attempts to mark in defence and the opposition break even/benefit from that decision. By the end of the year, he'll be broke!
        In the first half he was shocking, though as the game went on he improved. Though from that effort today any plans to use him at CHB have to be looked at again, because we'll stuggle with him there against the better sides.
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        • Charlie
          On the Rookie List
          • Jan 2003
          • 4101

          #19
          One thing that has occurred to me is that we lacked the players who were rebounding defenders last year. Kennelly, Barry, Crouch and Mathews are really quite crucial to our set-up - they provide the run that the midfield turns into inside 50s and the forward line turns into goals. That was non-existant today.

          O'Keefe, O'Loughlin and Davis will bring back the creativity that can make our forward line deadly at times.

          Add Tadhg, Leo, Crouch and Mathews to the defence, Bolton and Williams to the engine room, O'Keefe, O'Loughlin and Davis to the forward line, and Ball and Doyle to the ruck, and we'll look like an AFL side again...
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          • lizz
            Veteran
            Site Admin
            • Jan 2003
            • 16778

            #20
            My two-penneth worth...

            Most of the seasoned players looked rusty and didn't do a huge amount (not a concern at this stage of the season) but when they did they close to a contest their poise and skill was obvious compared to the kids - Kirk, Hall, Bolton, Goodes, Fosdike, Schaubs (with the qualification that he got a towelling from Fevola in the second half) and Saddo (notwithstanding a couple of bad errors early on, he still did some good stuff and looked like he had time and space).

            The most pleasing thing for me was that Schneider clearly fits with that group. He didn't seem to do much, but what he did had class stamped all over it.

            I may be the only one here who thought Ablett had a decent game. He didn't do enough, I agree - and this is the kind of game he needs to be dominating - but some of his efforts I thought were very good.

            Also I quite liked bits of what Hunt did. In the third quarter he presented himself well and took some nice marks on the forward wing. He looks a lot like Fitzy with his hair long - not as tall but similar stoop and loping running style.

            Also thought Meiklejohn was OK, though still looks a long way off AFL level. At least I was glad to finally see him take a mark - and it was a nice one too!

            Buchanan was good. Skills let him down occasionally but he was very lively and looks much fitter than when he joined the club.

            Rogers was OK but I hope we don't need to call on him too early in the season. Still a fair way to go.

            McVeigh I didn't see a great deal of but he looked to have a bit of class about him.

            Most of the rest looked a bit out of their depth. They all did the occasional nice thing but were pushed off the ball too easily, looked hesitant when in possession and didn't deliver well. Sadly LRT fits in with this group, though we all know he can play a lot better. I agree with previous comments that Sunny was a disappointment. He is at the stage where he should have looked a level or two above most of the kids.

            Overall, one of the main problems seemed to be a lack of structure and/or game plan. Probably a consequence of so many new faces and not much time for them to work together. For that reason alone I'm not overly concerned since the return of the senior players will clearly fix that. And although as a group the kids struggled, individually many of them are probably capable of slotting into a more settled, structured side - just not all at the same time.

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            • Tooth Fairy
              Regular in the Side
              • Aug 2003
              • 724

              #21
              Originally posted by Mike_B

              On a separate note, Saddo showed again that there needs to be a fine system in place where if he attempts to mark in defence and the opposition break even/benefit from that decision. By the end of the year, he'll be broke!
              Saddo got a verbal barrage by one of his team mates today when he was caught behind and tried to outmark his opponent. It went along the lines of... "Why didn't you punch the @@@@ing ball?! Don't you know the team rules?"

              Saddo should know better. It's a real disappointment. But I'm still putting my faith in him. He is very stale atm and needs some good ground time under his belt with opposition he can realistically match. This will give him a bit of confidence and hopefully he will get back to being a handy player for us.
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              • sharpie
                On the Rookie List
                • Jul 2003
                • 1588

                #22
                Nico, I think I watched the same game as you, my thoughts exactly.

                It was my first time to see McVeigh play, and I was very happy with his game. He looks almost identical to Fosdike, who played quite nicely in and through the packs for a change.

                I was amazed by how obvious the difference in class was between the Swans' senior players and the rookies.

                Buchanan looks about half the size he used to be 2 years ago, and it sure helped, with his pace around the midfield quite decent.

                I reckon Willoughby will be alright, seems to have a good brain and was well positioned. I am quite excited about Rogers, he may develop into a good player with time. On the other hand, after all the attention LRT got on this website during the week, I was really disappointed by his game, looked too slow, too weak and had poor skills. He still has a long way to go.

                Other than commenting on individual efforts, it is pointless to use this game to comment on the team's playing style due to the numbers missing. I realised during the game that without the likes of Mathews, Barry & Kennelly, our whole gameplan with the run out of defense was non-existent.

                The biggest worry about today's game was that it exposed our lack of depth. At this stage, we really only have a good top 22, with quite a weak backup from there.
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                • monopoly19
                  Senior Player
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 1098

                  #23
                  I was impressed by Buchanan, Schneider, Bevan, Rogers and Schmidt (in regards to what I was thinking they would do). Others did okay, some disappointed - LRT, Saddo and Sundqvist - but everyone has their days, I guess. I think it's hard to measure talent or even potential in games like these because of the lack of structure and the fact that the team had not really played as a unit before. The young kids must have found it incredibly daunting, and it wasn't as though Carlton came in with an inexperienced side - they all seemed relatively game-hardened and had a little more to play for, IMHO.

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                  • CureTheSane
                    Carpe Noctem
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 5032

                    #24
                    Hiu

                    I am prettyy wasted rihht niow
                    But what were the injuries?

                    I take it we losyt

                    Heyk , consideringh thw other side that have lost (port. wobles, etc) it puts us ij good stesad
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                    • NMWBloods
                      Taking Refuge!!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15819

                      #25
                      Originally posted by sharpie
                      The biggest worry about today's game was that it exposed our lack of depth. At this stage, we really only have a good top 22, with quite a weak backup from there.
                      Not sure if it does necessarily mean that. Slotting single players into a side as fill-ins amidst a team of experienced players is not quite the same thing as having over half a dozen of them out there at the same time. We will have to wait and see how they perform during the season, particularly the ones that do get a go in the seniors.
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                      • dendol
                        fat-arsed midfielder
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 1483

                        #26
                        agree with most of what was said. Our defense, and lack of rebound, was the most notable thing I took away from this game. The ball would get kicked up along the wing, only for our half forward line give the ball back.

                        I almost had a heart attack when Bazza got up limping from one contest. He shook that off, only to get his nose flattened in the next contest! Schneider also had a icepack on his right hamstring at the end of the game - hope it was just a precautionary thing.

                        I was lucky enough to sit about 2 rows behind our resting players today. Ive never been that close before, and it gave me a great view into how the players interact and get along with each other. Cressa was there with his clipboard taking notes and Dick Navis was there with him the whole time, both joking around. Jude Bolton looks strong (from just looking at his biceps!), and I never realised how tall Tadhg really was.

                        Anyhow, does anyone know who we are playing next week, and where?

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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #27
                          Originally posted by CureTheSane
                          Hiu

                          I am prettyy wasted rihht niow
                          But what were the injuries?

                          I take it we losyt

                          Heyk , consideringh thw other side that have lost (port. wobles, etc) it puts us ij good stesad
                          Aarrghh... Fixshta... anklhlhlhe, Halllll... noshe, James... shplit inner ear and concuss, consuss, conckckc... shore headdd...

                          hic...

                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

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                          • chammond
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 1368

                            #28
                            The biggest worry about today's game was that it exposed our lack of depth. At this stage, we really only have a good top 22, with quite a weak backup from there.
                            Must admit I thought the opposite . . . our lack of depth has been clear for some time, but this match opened some options that weren't obvious before.

                            Buchanan looked much more mature, and with a bit more experience will make the grade.

                            Ablett looked workmanlike, and McVeigh looks all class, and both will slot nicely into the seniors when needed. Dempster too looked comfortable at that level.

                            Meiklejohn is still really green, but every time I see him I am impressed by how physically strong he is in one on one contests. He'll be a useful back-up.

                            Rogers and Bevan are both too good to be on the Rookie list. Rogers in particular is ready for senior football, and I reckon he's the big find so far this season. If Fixter's down for the count, then Rogers must be promoted straightaway.

                            Unfortunately, LRT and Sundqvist don't seem to have come on at all since last season. In contrast, Schneider played like a hundred gamer, not a novice.

                            Goodes, Saddington, Schauble, Fosdike, Kirk, Bolton, Maxfield all looked like they are progressing nicely. Hall looked like the usual BBBB, but with a broken nose.

                            The rest looked like what they are, youngsters playing out of their class. Good experience, but.

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                            • Reggi
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 2718

                              #29
                              Originally posted by NMWBloods
                              Not sure if it does necessarily mean that. Slotting single players into a side as fill-ins amidst a team of experienced players is not quite the same thing as having over half a dozen of them out there at the same time. We will have to wait and see how they perform during the season, particularly the ones that do get a go in the seniors.
                              Yep spot on all in all pretty meaningless really kids playing with kids sans leadership were never going to be competitive - could see it miles away.

                              Feel sorry for Fixter and James - are they bad injuries or minor (obviously concussion is concusssion).

                              i'm starting a lucky horseshoe collection for Heath.

                              Anyone in on it?
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                              • robbieando
                                The King
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 2750

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Reggi
                                Feel sorry for Fixter and James
                                Just think if Doyle played
                                Once was, now elsewhere

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