Roos bad coaching?

[TheHood]

Originally posted by Charlie
However, we did not have the luxury of hindsight last week. Bad coaching? I think saying that these kids "aren't good enough to play at this level" is worse coaching. What the hell does that achieve, Roosy?

That comment troubled me too. It was rather harsh and I hope he keeps trialing them till the season proper but in a more ordered fashion.

[liz]

Originally posted by Charlie

However, we did not have the luxury of hindsight last week. Bad coaching? I think saying that these kids "aren't good enough to play at this level" is worse coaching. What the hell does that achieve, Roosy?

Is that what he said? The comment I heard or read had "yet" on the end - and that makes a big difference. Would anyone argue that most of the younger players who took the field on Sunday do not yet have the physical strength and/or the skills to play at AFL level?

In respect of whether the kids should all have been played, my guess is that the coaching staff have a specific plan in mind for all the senior players designed to get them ready to play at the Gabba at the end of March. This will, no doubt, depend on their age, fitness level and the lingering effects of any post-season repair work. I expect it to be a combination of specifically targetted fitness and skills training mixed with some match practice. I

would rather we lost a meaningless pre-season game than changed the plans of the staff to get players ready to play when it matters.

[Reggi]

Koutafides now has an knee injury - would you prefer to win a pre-season game and have Goodes injured?

Not me.

Maybe Roos went a bit far but I think he had looked beyond this game so really it doesn't mean much

[Charlie]

Originally posted by Reggi
Koutafides now has an knee injury - would you prefer to win a pre-season game and have Goodes injured?

Not me.

Maybe Roos went a bit far but I think he had looked beyond this game so really it doesn't mean much

Hell, the thought of this had me on edge before the game started much more than the possible results.

Goodes is more important to this current side than Lockett was to the '95-'99 teams. If Goodes goes down, I honestly can't see us being able to do too much without him. He is our Carey.

And Lizz, just re-read Roos' quote, and you're correct, there is a 'yet' in there. Still think it's a little bit iffy, though.

[AussieAnge]

Perhaps it was a ploy on the part of the coaching staff for us fans to control our expectations!
I think Reggi has a point, would you want your key players to be injured in a pre-season, meaningless game?

[Nico]

I just wonder how closely people look at what goes on in the off season. How many people follow the injury list and off season operations?


We had 6 players from the Prelim Final on the ground, the rest of them are either having a rest (sensible) recovering or just started full pressure training.
So the alterative to playing juniors was to put under done or unfit players onto the paddock (apt desciption) which anybody's fool would see that as absolute suicide.

The worst that can happen is that some players may be a bit "fresh" for Round 1, which what happened last year, and guess what, we won.

This club has rightly been criticised on this forum (pre Roos) for poor player management. He got it very right last year and he is following exactly the same path as last year. Those with any sort of memory would recall our "shocking" defeat last year by a "resurgent" Carlton. Can anyone recall where the "new Blues" finished last year?

All the mail coming out of the club before last weekend was that the players had an even greater resolve than last year.

If any RWO's serously take that Sunday game to heart perhaps they should visit "The Gap" or "Westgate Bridge", take a big leap, and spare us the bulldust for the rest of the season.

[liz]

Originally posted by Charlie

And Lizz, just re-read Roos' quote, and you're correct, there is a 'yet' in there. Still think it's a little bit iffy, though.

"Yet" makes a huge difference, surely. There is so much hype over young players who come out early in their careers and have an impact that I'm sure all draftees dream about the same happening to them. I don't think there's anything wrong with giving them a reality check about how far they've to go to even play AFL footy.

If the players never got to hear from their coach apart from throw-away comments made in post-match media conferences after the team has just lost by 100+ points in a meaningless match then, sure, we might have a cause for concern. But I don't think any of us believes that to be the case.

Also, IIRC, Roos made a comment that the full senior team wasn't as good as he'd thought it was after we'd lost three on the trot early last season. And we all know what happened from there...

[SWANSBEST]

"Obviously there were players today that showed they were not capable of playing at that level. For a player, that can be pretty daunting," he said.

These are the words originally used to quote Roos after the game against Carlton . The important words are " there were players" not all players or all young players or all old players but players . Roos has been misquoted in this thread to score a few obscure points. For what reason I do not know .

It is obvious that Roos is 100 per cent correct , there were players who played on Sunday who will never play at AFL level. He is being perfectly honest , no more , no less.

[Charlie]

Originally posted by SWANSBEST
"Obviously there were players today that showed they were not capable of playing at that level. For a player, that can be pretty daunting," he said.

These are the words originally used to quote Roos after the game against Carlton . The important words are " there were players" not all players or all young players or all old players but players . Roos has been misquoted in this thread to score a few obscure points. For what reason I do not know .

It is obvious that Roos is 100 per cent correct , there were players who played on Sunday who will never play at AFL level. He is being perfectly honest , no more , no less.

Well, I misquoted him, yes, so I'll interpret this post as a response to my comments. I misquoted him, but not deliberately. To suggest I did is jumping the gun.

[DST]

Originally posted by Nico
I just wonder how closely people look at what goes on in the off season. How many people follow the injury list and off season operations?


We had 6 players from the Prelim Final on the ground, the rest of them are either having a rest (sensible) recovering or just started full pressure training.
So the alterative to playing juniors was to put under done or unfit players onto the paddock (apt desciption) which anybody's fool would see that as absolute suicide.

The worst that can happen is that some players may be a bit "fresh" for Round 1, which what happened last year, and guess what, we won.

This club has rightly been criticised on this forum (pre Roos) for poor player management. He got it very right last year and he is following exactly the same path as last year. Those with any sort of memory would recall our "shocking" defeat last year by a "resurgent" Carlton. Can anyone recall where the "new Blues" finished last year?

All the mail coming out of the club before last weekend was that the players had an even greater resolve than last year.

If any RWO's serously take that Sunday game to heart perhaps they should visit "The Gap" or "Westgate Bridge", take a big leap, and spare us the bulldust for the rest of the season.

Here here, I don't give a rats toss bag what happened on the weekend. As long as Roos has us ready and firing for round 1 of the real stuff who cares.

You don't have to be Einstein to work out that whatever side we put out against the baggers on Sunday would have lost. Carlton are five weeks more progressed than us, had 4 practice games under their belt, a full list to choose from (even gambled and played the Fatman) and had 11 players all trying to impress the new coach and get a game !!!!!!!!!

Sunday was irrelevant rubbish, cast it aside and move on.

If we are 8 rounds into the season and are sitting 2-6 then we can start to talk about whether it is bad coaching or who has not lived up to expectations !!!!!!!!!

DST

[Rizzo]

A Nth Melbourne supporter friend of mine never lets an opportunity pass to rib me when the Swans lose a game. He was fishing on the evening after the NSO game saying he saw a sports report and was a bit shocked when I didn't ask the score.

This results in pre-season are pretty irrelevant and Roo's has done pretty much as I expected - given the young guys a run.

[Syd Swan]

Its marvellous how a thread can get so off topic. There was never any mention in the original thread regarding the result of sundays game.

The original question was, did anyone else consider it bad or strange coaching to put in so many youngsters against a senior AFL side. If they are going to show that they are worthy of possible senior selection, then surely they need at least a bit of quality around them. And then for Roos to came out and say, that some of them are not up to standard, I mean how the hell coud you possibly tell.

Now a lot of the responses so far have been, don't read anything in to it, but hasn't Roos read something in to it, with the comments that he has made.

Hypothetically, had we of won would we all be saying don't read anything in to it.

[nugget]

Nico you say that playing unfit players would be absolute suicide and to a point I agree with you. However as a player it doesn't matter how much training you do there is no substitute for match fitness.

Even playing those under-done or unfit players for short periods would improve there fitness and would also have improved the balance of the side.

Sure there are more opportunities for this to occur but from a coaching point of view to play some of these so called unfit players for short periods would have provided a lot more guidance to our young guys.

We may still have been beaten but those young guys would gain more from learning from those that have been there before than from copping a hiding like that.

[Doctor J.]

I think people need to remember that Carlton also beat us in a practice match last year.

March 1st 2003. Wasn't by as much, but they still beat us.

There that puts Saturday's result into perspective.

[Syd Swan]

Originally posted by Doctor J.
I think people need to remember that Carlton also beat us in a practice match last year.

March 1st 2003. Wasn't by as much, but they still beat us.

There that puts Saturday's result into perspective.

No one cares about the result, everyone knew we would be beaten.

The thread is about whether the young guys should of been given the opportunity to prove themselves with a bit more assistance from some senior players.