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  • Reggi
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    • Jan 2003
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    Struggle for hurt Doyle to stand tall

    Struggle for hurt Doyle to stand tall
    By James MacSmith
    February 29, 2004
    The Sun-Herald

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    In a crucial year for Sydney Swans ruckmen, Stephen Doyle readily admits that his career could live and die by his form - and his ability to avoid injury.

    The 203-centimetre giant has played only 20 games in four years, and it is understood he has been told by club officials that he needs to get more game time this year. Otherwise his future at the club might be in doubt despite being only 23.

    With No.1 ruckman Jason Ball, 31, on a one-year contract and nearing the end of his career, this year looms as a make-or-break year for the two talls.

    Both are yet to play in the pre-season with Ball overcoming a shoulder injury, but he is expected to play in a week or two.

    Doyle, who is battling tendonitis in his left knee, is not expected to be fully fit until round two or three of the premiership season.

    And he knows if things don't look up his football career may have only one more year to live.

    "If I can't play football consistently this year, I might be struggling to stay with the club, that's a reality," Doyle said.

    "There's no point in keeping someone who isn't playing, but the coaching staff have been really good, they're not pushing me to get back out there too soon, and they've been very encouraging."

    Adelaide-born Doyle kicked 2.1 in the Swans' first game against Carlton last year, and looked set to become a dangerous ruck-forward under coach Paul Roos, but most of his season was ruined when he injured his right knee late in the same game.

    He returned in round 22 and played in both the Swans' finals.

    "I'm aiming to play between 15 and 18 games this year," Doyle said.

    "The thing is that when I've made it out on the field, I've felt comfortable that I can play at that level, which makes it that much more frustrating.

    "Speaking to Paul Roos, he doesn't want to rush me back, he only wants me to get out there only when I'm fully fit. But I know they're expecting more from me.

    "We've got some good young guys coming through in the ruck like Lewis Roberts-Thomson, and I'm aware of the need to perform."

    Doyle's pre-season was going swimmingly until tendonitis struck earlier this month and now his preparation for 2004 has been derailed.

    "It's not the knee I hurt last year, it's from overusing my left knee after I hurt my right knee," he said. "The injuries I've had are freak injuries.

    "I'm not doing anything wrong. Four or five weeks ago, I felt great. it is a bit of a setback. It's pretty disappointing and frustrating."

    When he has played, Doyle has been a dominant force in the Sydney forward line, but after losing his title as the club's tallest player to 205-centimetre newcomer Andrew Ericksen earlier this year, Doyle said he wanted to spend most of his time in the ruck.

    "I would prefer to play solely in the ruck and have to get my fitness up for that," he said. "I enjoy going forward and kicking goals and it's good to have someone like [Adam] Goodes who can go into the ruck from time to time.

    "But we've got some good tall options up forward and it's in the ruck that I think I can make a real difference in this club, and the time has come to do that."
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  • dendol
    fat-arsed midfielder
    • Oct 2003
    • 1483

    #2
    Re: Struggle for hurt Doyle to stand tall

    Such a sad story for Doyle so far. He was always groomed as being Ball's eventual replacement, and its just so disappointing that he cant get on the field because we all know he can play and is in our best 22. Ive got my fingers and toes crossed that he makes a full recovery and he gets his 15 - 18 games this year.

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    • Dpw
      On the Rookie List
      • Jan 2003
      • 829

      #3
      Swans need to make a decision one way or another as ball is not getting any younger and MJ requires alot of work.

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      • DST
        The voice of reason!
        • Jan 2003
        • 2705

        #4
        Even if he does not get to the 15 game mark this year (really hope he does) I can't see them cutting him at the end of this year.

        With Ball likely to hang up the boots and with MJ and Erikson still along way from holding down the ruck position themselves the cupboard is to bare to discard him at the end of the year.

        DST

        P.S Maybe Ray Hall will be an option at years end ?
        "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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        • dendol
          fat-arsed midfielder
          • Oct 2003
          • 1483

          #5
          P.S Maybe Ray Hall will be an option at years end ?
          i wouldnt regard ray hall as a real ruckman. Even if we were to recruit him, we'd still consider our ruck stocks very low if Ball were to retire and Doyle was cut.

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          • Supernova7
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            • Apr 2003
            • 15

            #6
            Originally posted by DST
            Even if he does not get to the 15 game mark this year (really hope he does) I can't see them cutting him at the end of this year.

            With Ball likely to hang up the boots and with MJ and Erikson still along way from holding down the ruck position themselves the cupboard is to bare to discard him at the end of the year.

            DST

            P.S Maybe Ray Hall will be an option at years end ?

            Don't believe Hall is an option .. believe he signed a two year contract.

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            • Cheer Cheer
              On the Rookie List
              • Jan 2003
              • 934

              #7
              After watching R.Hall play in the opening few games of the wizard cup I am more than happy that he did not come to Sydney - He would not be in our best 22 - merely a back up to LRT or James and the like.

              Very poor performances so far. I actually forgot how useless he is.
              No.1 ticket holder of Nick Davis Fan Club...

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              • SWANSBEST
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                • Jan 2003
                • 868

                #8
                I have noticed on other sites that Ray Hall has been criticised heavily for his early seasons efforts. Probably our good luck that we did not snare him . Still, Saddo has been coping heaps and I would still have him in our best 22. But in a different position.

                I would like to see Saddo play at half forward, much in the style that Luffy used to play . ie GOING FOR MARKS WITHOUT RESTRAINT and forgetting about spoiling tactics. He could be a great foil for Bazza who is not strong overhead but great on the lead. A half forward line with Davis or maybe a small would be very potent. Any comments??
                WMP

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                • dendol
                  fat-arsed midfielder
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 1483

                  #9
                  hmm, could work - except his kicking (both general kicking and kicking for goal) is not the best around.

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                  • DST
                    The voice of reason!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2705

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dendol
                    hmm, could work - except his kicking (both general kicking and kicking for goal) is not the best around.
                    I just checked Saddington's all time stats and he has 33 goals and 24 points from 57. That is a strike rate of 58% (which compares to Hall at 65%) which is very good for a defender.

                    Agree his current field kicking needs some help but can not remember it being a problem in the past when he has his confidence up and running and is playing consistent footy.

                    DST
                    "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                    • monopoly19
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1098

                      #11
                      I love that every thread started eventually turns into a discussion on Saddington... he sure is the pre-season scapegoat this year.

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                      • TheHood
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                        • Jan 2003
                        • 1938

                        #12
                        Originally posted by monopoly19
                        I love that every thread started eventually turns into a discussion on Saddington... he sure is the pre-season scapegoat this year.
                        Last year there were several scapegoats and most of them, coincidentally stood up and had the best season of their careers!

                        Is this an omen for Saddo? I hope so for his sake because it may only take an injury for him to be replaced and for someone to step in and he would struggle to work his way back into the starting 22.

                        I think there is a feeling that some of us "Saddo critics" are dillusional and overly harsh.

                        Our back 6 last year (on paper) were:

                        Bolton Schauble Saddington
                        Barry Matthews Kennelly

                        All but Saddo made a really good contribution consistently. Leo did so with injuries so hearing Saddo's woes does not interest me.

                        At the moment, he is over-rated but if he proves me wrong I will be the first to apologise and I will do it with a smile on my face!
                        The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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                        • DST
                          The voice of reason!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2705

                          #13
                          Originally posted by TheHood
                          Last year there were several scapegoats and most of them, coincidentally stood up and had the best season of their careers!

                          Is this an omen for Saddo? I hope so for his sake because it may only take an injury for him to be replaced and for someone to step in and he would struggle to work his way back into the starting 22.

                          I think there is a feeling that some of us "Saddo critics" are dillusional and overly harsh.

                          Our back 6 last year (on paper) were:

                          Bolton Schauble Saddington
                          Barry Matthews Kennelly

                          All but Saddo made a really good contribution consistently. Leo did so with injuries so hearing Saddo's woes does not interest me.

                          At the moment, he is over-rated but if he proves me wrong I will be the first to apologise and I will do it with a smile on my face!
                          Saddington missed over 10 games last year, how can you compare him last year to the other 5 players, especially since those 5 other players played almost the whole season without missing a game.

                          You sometimes have to wonder where people come up with these statements.

                          Funny thing was Saddington (until injured in round 8) was in much better form than Schuable was at that time.

                          What was the difference ? Schuable was able to string some games together through the middle part of the year and worked his way into form. Saddington was not able to do that missing 9 weeks in the middle part of the year and consequently lost touch, fitness and form.

                          Two practice games back this year and we are on his case !!!!!!!!

                          DST
                          "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                          • TheHood
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 1938

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DST
                            Saddington missed over 10 games last year, how can you compare him last year to the other 5 players, especially since those 5 other players played almost the whole season without missing a game.

                            You sometimes have to wonder where people come up with these statements.

                            Funny thing was Saddington (until injured in round 8) was in much better form than Schuable was at that time.

                            What was the difference ? Schuable was able to string some games together through the middle part of the year and worked his way into form. Saddington was not able to do that missing 9 weeks in the middle part of the year and consequently lost touch, fitness and form.

                            Two practice games back this year and we are on his case !!!!!!!!

                            DST
                            I actually thought his form turned very sour in the last quarter of Round 6 and never recovered. Obviously injury got involved there at that point. How many opponents did he get taken off due to lack of effect/getting towelled? If it is not his fault, is it a coaching error or a lack of depth?
                            The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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                            • Nico
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 11339

                              #15
                              Interesting comment about Saddo at CHF or FF.

                              Early in his career he was tried at CHF and really looked the part. Played a couple of blinders. Ran hard, found space and marked and kicked well. Then the "super coach" decided that we should not be kicking winning scores (too positive) and banished him to the backline.

                              Then as I recall against North at the MCG he was moved to CHF and I think we even won. We thought "strewth the lights gone in in Rockets head", only to be sadly disappointed the next week as he went straight to the backline at the first bounce, and has stayed there ever since.

                              Hopefully it is not too late, but with a shortage of tall backs I doubt even the messiah will move him up forward.
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