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[stellation]

dang ignut mexicans

[DST]

Originally posted by Charlie
Yes, these are all valid points.

It still seems silly to be pointing at Tony Morwood and saying 'see, they've got an ex-player in charge, they must care'. If the appointment of Morwood results in/coincides with more games in Melbourne... THEN I'll believe that the club is being pro-active. Until then, Morwood has done nothing, the club has done nothing, and all the praise of Sydney's 'committment' to the Melbourne fans is hot air.

I don't believe that the Kangaroos issue is a dead one. In fact, here's something interesting I've just spotted! Here's the Kangas' requests...

KANGAROOS? REQUESTS
? No Sunday home games in Melbourne.
? Three home matches at Manuka Oval.
? Sixteen games in Victoria.
? A home game on Good Friday commencing at 5pm or 6pm.

http://kangaroosfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=fixture

No mention of the SWANS at Manuka!!! Therefore, there was absolutely no obligation for the AFL to play us there!

Charlie, the AFL underwrites those games in Canberra.

So it is only natural that they will use the team that is most likely to:

a) generate a sell-out
b) be of most interest to Canberra people

And who may that be..............................us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We therefore go where we are told.

The Bulldogs game is another matter and something I have written to MBH about and his and Tony's responses seemed to indicate that this deal will not be renewed in the future.

DST

[Bart]

Originally posted by Charlie
You give me a number where I can talk to someone in power - an MBH or a board member or SOMEONE who can do something, and I'll do it right now.

Club 02 9339 9123. I know this is just reception. But call, see how you go.

Originally posted by Charlie
By the way, I believe that the requests ARE in order, as the first two requests are guaranteed, then the rest are given priority according to their place on the list. I may be wrong on this, but that's how I understand the request system works.

And you "believe" this how ? really clutching at straws there Charlie to suit your argument.

[DST]

Originally posted by Charlie
I support that game. If the club decides not to renew the deal, I'm not going to complain about that. I can, however, see the justification for having the game in Sydney (equity in the draw, as every interstate club currently plays 12 games at home).

If the club forsakes that, it'll be a severe cost, but it would be a HUGE sign that they can see the importance of Melbourne to the club.

I actually don't think it is a severe cost as it actually costs us money to play that game in Sydney, so financially we are worse off.

But yes it does mean one less game at home for us, but hey Canberra is not that far away and we play pretty well at Manuka.

DST

[DST]

Originally posted by monopoly19
I think stellation was referring to the fact that the Swans will be playing in the grand final this year, which is to be held in Melbourne (a valid point, IMHO )

oops, got pipped at the post

Sorry I missed that, but with work on the MCG at present only 8,000 to 10,000 will get a chance to go along anyway so they will be watching on TV just like you.

DST

[Tooth Fairy]

Originally posted by TheHood
How about we swap one of our Subi games for one in Melbourne?

Don't you dare!
Having just relocated to Perth I abhor your statement

[Tooth Fairy]

Originally posted by monopoly19


If you were not based in Melbourne, would you still argue so vehemently, oh selfless one?

I am

[robbieando]

When we moved to Sydney we were promised that we would still have 11 games in Victoria we could go to and the other 11 matches would be live on TV. So we were told the move wouldn't be all bad, we would at least have the chance to see all 22 games live be at the ground in Melbourne or watching live on TV. After 23 seasons in Sydney, we are down to 5 matches in Victoria and of the other 17 matches most of them are lucky to be live on a free to air channel. Now of course the interstate clubs joining the league has meant we were always going to get less games in Melbourne, but that doesn't mean things should of gotten to where they are now.

Why is this, well because the AFL and the Swans believe that 2 extra games in NSW/ACT is more important than keeping a promise to the South Melbourne fans who had no say in their club being moved North. Remember we fought against the move and in turn when the move happened we were promised things that were never delieved. I can understand playing a game in the ACT, but why an away match????

If the ACT as an area was so important to the Swans why not move one of our home games there instead??? Why let North get all the spoils??? Why pay a Victorian club to play a home in Sydney when you know it effects so many of the fans in Melbourne that you claim to care about??? Now I don't have a problem if a home team decided to play outside of Melbourne, thats their point of view, however we as a club shouldn't be helping them make the decision. As a matter of decency to us in Melbourne they shouldn't be paying clubs to take a game away from us.

Of course I believe the game in NSW is important, however the loyal fans in Melbourne shouldn't be the ones effected to do it. We gave you our club and 23 years later you stab us in the back. It makes me sick to think that people in Sydney have the nerve to say that our supporter base in Melbourne is meaningless. Thats just plain wrong. All we want is 6 games in Melbourne spread thoughout the season.

[Damien]

Originally posted by robbieando

Of course I believe the game in NSW is important, however the loyal fans in Melbourne shouldn't be the ones effected to do it. We gave you our club and 23 years later you stab us in the back. It makes me sick to think that people in Sydney have the nerve to say that our supporter base in Melbourne is meaningless. .

Hey, what?- I have never met one swans fan who has claimed the Melbourne fan base is meaningless. I have no idea why you would write that???

Starting a them and us thing is very dangerous Robbieando.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by Damien
Hey, what?- I have never met one swans fan who has claimed the Melbourne fan base is meaningless. I have no idea why you would write that???

Starting a them and us thing is very dangerous Robbieando.

To start with yes, no one has directly stated that the fans in Melbourne are meaningless, however when I read some of the comments on here, you can't help but think that the general feeling of Sydney-based supporters is as such. When I read people on here say that the Melbourne-based fans are just secondery supporters who are no different to supporters of the Power, the Crows, the Eagles and the Dockers, it just makes me sick.

To say its a fact of life of supporting an interstate club also makes me sick after all we didn't make the choice to support an interstate club like the fans of Port, West Coast, Freo and Adelaide living in Melbourne did, it was forced upon us against our will. A little understand in this area goes a long way. The issues regarding the fans of Sydney and Brisbane living Melbourne are completely different and I would say of huge importance to the clubs bank balances.


Swans fans living in Sydney who make such comments I believe have no idea what its like to see your football team move interstate against the expressed will of the voting members and the supporters in general. They have no idea, what its like to see the club mismanaged in such a way that we had only a week to live as a club until Collingwood stepped in to stop Carlton get an advantage over them. They have no idea what its, when people running the club say we would be better off if we changed our nickname, our colours and ignore our history pre 1982. They have no idea that we living in Melbourne are more than just normal interstate supporters, we are much more than that.

Its not a us vs them issue, it shouldn't be. What the issue should be about is getting the Melbourne based fans what we are entitled to - a chance to see the club play live in Melbourne at least 6 times a year and a little bit of understanding.

That being said I understand all the issues involved with making the fixture and I know with the way things are now, that we just aren't going to get the amount of games we want in Melbourne that we really want, thats just a fact of life. Having interstate clubs join the league from Qld, SA and WA was always going to result in this.

Getting 5 matches in Melbourne once is wrong and to get 5 games two seasons in a row is just plain criminal, we should without question get 6 per season, with a season with 5 every so offen if there is no other way of getting us 6 matches in Melbourne. Those saying its too much to ask are wrong, if the Brisbane Lions can get a contract out of the AFL giving them at least 6 games per season in Melbourne, so can we.

Also to those who say we will get an extra game in Melbourne at the end of the year, I see your point and I like it, but its not like Melbourne-based supporters will get every single ticket available now is it.

[Louellyn]

Mr Ando, I am surprised this tawdry thread is still active.

How long ago did Souths move to Sydney? Have you been hanging on to this for that long? Are you so pissed off this team came up here and took our hearts and breath away? Aren't you happy so many more people are into them that they have been kept alive? Or would you have preferred your beloved team to die completely?

In the words of some song or another,

GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!

I live in regional NSW and see them once a year, doesn't stop my passion and you don't see me whingeing my arse off in this forum.

May I suggest that if this is such an issue for you, that you take up another hobby as well as footy to bang your gums over, such as stamp collecting

[Reggi]

Well after having been close to football Aramageddon in 1992, be especially thankful that you still have a club. Whilst I would like having more games in Melb, don't really sympathise with Robbi.

I'm a Swans man, wherever I am, wherever they are, doesn't matter. South Melbourne, Sydney, exactly the same club to me, makes no difference.

Especially as Bernie Evans played for both South Melbourne and Sydney

[Bear]

Originally posted by BBB
Charlie, we see your point.

And we saw it last time.

And the time before that.

Strangely enough, you are pretty much a lone voice this time.

As you were last time.

And the time before that.

The others, ie. Melb. based supporters see your point but don't wish to turn it into an attack on Sydney based supporters which you seem hell bent on doing every time the issue is raised.

Agreed. I HATE it when some try the us v them thing - I know our Melb (or Syd) fans don't want this.

My two cents worth is play the Bulldogs in Melb and leave the Canberra game alone. Then we will all be happy (except maybe one or two members out of 25,000).

Canberra is an important 3rd market for the Swans that we are well supported in. We SHOULD be there.

Now... back to sleep for me... yawn... zzzzzzz.

[stellation]

Originally posted by Bear
Agreed. I HATE it when some try the us v them thing - I know our Melb (or Syd) fans don't want this.

My two cents worth is play the Bulldogs in Melb and leave the Canberra game alone. Then we will all be happy (except maybe one or two members out of 25,000).

Canberra is an important 3rd market for the Swans that we are well supported in. We SHOULD be there.

Now... back to sleep for me... yawn... zzzzzzz.

Location: Can

[Doctor J.]

Melbourne based swans fan here.

YAWN!!!

Next year, Bulldogs game will be in Melb. There's your 6 games.

Arguement over, well done MBH well done TM. Geez I wish my job was that easy.