Hall v Neitz - Most goals

[liz]

Originally posted by CHF
I just do not understand your belief that at some stage on Saturday night Neitz will be moved down the back into defence.

I think some are remembering the game late in 2002 when the Swans were thumping the Dees and Neitz spent about 5 minutes down in the backline at the start of the 3rd quarter. Didn't seem to do much good - we kept scoring the goals - and Neitz then trotted back to where he belongs.

Don't take everything written completely seriously - we're all just geeing ourselves up for the weekend.

[hammo]

Neitz could catch the dreaded Windy Hill flu on Saturday as there won't be much action on the Dee's forward line.

He may have to go down the ground to look for some cheap possessions.

[CHF]

Originally posted by lizz
I think some are remembering the game late in 2002 when the Swans were thumping the Dees and Neitz spent about 5 minutes down in the backline at the start of the 3rd quarter. Didn't seem to do much good - we kept scoring the goals - and Neitz then trotted back to where he belongs.

Don't take everything written completely seriously - we're all just geeing ourselves up for the weekend.

Don't worry, Lizz..... I am old enough and silly enough not to take too much seriously.

I think the Melbourne forward line will be plenty busy enough, Hammo..... Last week, We were 12 pts up and the main break and Neitz only had 1.3........ he kicked another 5.1 after the break. and did not go chasing easy possessions.

[penga]

Originally posted by Yze_Magic
thanks, havent laughed like that in years

Yze_Tragic - YOU make me laugh

[penga]

Originally posted by CHF
Don't worry, Lizz..... I am old enough and silly enough not to take too much seriously.

I think the Melbourne forward line will be plenty busy enough, Hammo..... Last week, We were 12 pts up and the main break and Neitz only had 1.3........ he kicked another 5.1 after the break. and did not go chasing easy possessions.

a lot of melbourne supporters are clutching at a mass of straws drawing on their last three games

as was demonstrated on on the couch port were over-possessing the ball right from the first bounce and played melbourne into the game. port have a SHOCKING mcg record and were/are very undermanned. most notable of their exclusions was chad cornes (i HATE the bloke) but he has been giving them the drive off half back that the have needed and was setting up the play so far in the season, without cornes' drive they went back to their old game plan

to beat the western bulldogs is nothing to boast about

to beat richmond, WELL see above (understatement)

and you got found out against hawthorn

with the swans run, geelong was the only notable game that we struggled with (special mention to daryn cresswell, david haynes and kennelly's ribs) but we fought hard and won; these games always worry a Swans supporter... we ran the lions to within 2 points, once our skills were in place we cained fremantle and flogged the kangaroos (who apparently has one of the better midfields in the comp)

please justify your (melboure's) reasoning to this match where you will think it will be close. because on recent form of both teams, i see it to be a percentage booster for the swans

[liz]

Originally posted by penga

as was demonstrated on on the couch port were over-possessing the ball right from the first bounce and played melbourne into the game.

One word of caution - Sydney massively over-possessed the ball against the Roos as well. Not from the first bounce, clearly, since it took fifteen minutes before they realised the game had started, but for most of the second, third and final quarters they certainly did. Fortunately the Roos let them get away with it but a more switched on team could have punished it harshly.

[Yze_Magic]

Originally posted by TheHood
It's so damn obvious that Barry Hall is working to an unprecedented crescendo in his career. He really is a talent, well respected across the AFL world.

With Tarrant down for what looks to be a lot of 2004, I predict this to be Baz's first CHF All-Australian jumper.

Go Baz!

I think Warren Tredrea will have something to say about that

[Go Swannies]

Lizz,

you say "overpossess" but it seems to me that last week we moved it around a lot until we found a free player and they he took off. As long as we're not dropping it, or having it intercepted, it seems as if it leaves the opposition caught flat footed. There were a lot of times when Roos players were about to tackle a Swan and the ball had moved through two players to a third who was kicking it into the forward 50.

[penga]

Originally posted by lizz
One word of caution - Sydney massively over-possessed the ball against the Roos as well. Not from the first bounce, clearly, since it took fifteen minutes before they realised the game had started, but for most of the second, third and final quarters they certainly did. Fortunately the Roos let them get away with it but a more switched on team could have punished it harshly.

oh i completely realise that we overpossessed - however, wouldnt that say something about our dominance over "one of the best midfields in the comp" whereas port dug themselves into a hole...

FWIW, im trying to intravenously create discussion with Tragic to see if he can actually argue a point rathen than just troll

[TheHood]

Originally posted by Yze_Magic
I think Warren Tredrea will have something to say about that

I know Warren is in form and I am a huge Warren fan but I get the feeling that you don't rate Baz at all?

Is that true?

I rated your man Greeny earlier? Maybe you reckon he's a potential AA at HF Flank?

Maybe I should have prefaced it by saying that the AA selectors put blokes anywhere just as long as the best 22 players in the comp appear anywhere on their list.

Baz is consistently kicking 60 odd plus a year now, this has to make him one of the best in the comp and anyone who denys this is either a labotomy recipient or just had their unbiased eye removed.

[CHF]

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please justify your (melboure's) reasoning to this match where you will think it will be close. because on recent form of both teams, i see it to be a percentage booster for the swans [/B][/QUOTE]

penga, Let me have a crack at responding to this.

I think you are looking at things through rose coloured glasses.

Melbourne's form.

After a solid pre-season we were flogged by Hawthorn in the first round, rather than the way you presented it as 'being found out' after wins against three other teams. We have no excuses for the performance against Hawthorn.

Second round a solid 10 goal win against Richmond who flogged the Maggies the week before.

R3... 2 goal win against the doggies. should have benn a 6-8 goal margin given we dominated the game and kicked 12.25.

R4.... 8 goal win against Port, an undefeated side up to then. sure they played at the MCG and they had Dew and Cornes out. we missed Jolly and Johnstone and put pressure on them all over the ground. the first 30 secs. Port had a string of 15+ possessions and lost 25m. it was like that all night.


from that I would contend that Melb has good form and is improving each week.

You can only beat the teams you are schedule to play.

[CHF]

NOw, I could don the rose coloured glasses and look at the swans form......

Fell in against Geelong, a team that has struggled the rest of the season except against the Tigers.

2 point loss against an undermanned Brisbane who did just enough to win...

Win against Fremantle in Sydney.... enough said.... Freo travel like a sponge cake....

Win against North in Canberra.... Whooooooo heads up, maybe they are running into a bit of form..... and maybe not... it may have been an aberation.....


Easy isn't it.

*smile* now all I have to do is believe it.

Two teams, both in form and improving = a close game.

Mind you, form is a fleeting thing, see Melbourne and Richmond from Round 1 to Round 2.

[Ryan Bomford]

Let's not forget that the Dees have paid their previous four games at the 'G'. TS is more like a rectangle than an oval. IMO your forwards will struggle to adapt.

[sharp9]

We didn't massively overpossess, Lizz. There were about four occassions in the match where we didn't move slickly out of defence. On about twenty other occassions we either went very quickly or used A LOT of possessions to engineer a man in space....that's not over possessing, that's confidence that repeated quick use of in close skill will give you the reward of being able to run forward in numbers.

Far rather that than kicking quickly to an Ablett/O'Keefe/Schneider one out contest on the wing.

Hall BTW

[penga]

Originally posted by CHF
NOw, I could don the rose coloured glasses and look at the swans form......

Easy isn't it.

Two teams, both in form and improving = a close game.

this is what i was getting at, thanks to nick's analysis...

http://redandwhiteonline.com/content.php?id=233_0_2_0_C

Melbourne?s opponents currently have a W-L record of 6-10 and a percentage of 96%.

not much to hang your hat on

The Swans? opponents have a W-L record of 10-6 and a percentage of 109%.

my glasses are seeming pretty clear now eh, yours getting rosier and rosier!!!

care to retort?