Melbourne-based fans deserved better

[treespirit]

Originally posted by Bart
Treespirit you are clutching at straws here. Of course individual's mental preparation is going to differ from match to match, as is their physical condition.

What you are saying is that the entire team should pick and choose which matches to be really up for, particularly the first match in Melbourne. This of course is nonsense.

No, I just have a point of view that you are not interested in attempting to understand. That's OK, but to state that my view is nonsense, is, of course, nonsense. I just see it differently to you.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Originally posted by lescygnes
why dont you all put yourself in Cher's shoes. Only ONE game where she lives all year, if that!

and none for me up here!! he he he

Cheers
John

ps-i'll give it a month before this Syd v Melb thing starts up again on here......

If you were here JM, I'd have given it 15 minutes. And 40 seconds if you and Charlie are posting.

Have fun. And stay out of Stanley Park, won't you!

JF

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Originally posted by treespirit
Thanks JF for your thoughtful comments.

My point exactly! I'm sure they did not, but I think they should have.

Hence the reason for developing the club's operation in Melbourne. If we have a toll-free link direct to Driver Ave as opposed to a ridgey-didge Melbourne-based office, the club will disenfranchise it Melbourne based supporters more than it already has done in the past.

As seen by Treespirit's post, there are highly unique and specific needs of the Swans' Melbourne-based marketplace. Having somebody who is FOOTBALL-SAVVY and passionate about the club is crucial to catering to these needs.

The next step is to get serious SA and Qld-based supporter communities mobilised. Especially with many expat Sydneysiders moving up to northern NSW/SE Qld, there is a pretty much stagnant pool of supporters who the club can not only make feel involved in the club, but draw additional income from. The same goes for SA. WA looks to be pretty much there, which is great!

JF

[Cher]

Originally posted by lescygnes
[B]why dont you all put yourself in Cher's shoes. Only ONE game where she lives all year, if that!

and none for me up here!! he he he

Cheers
John

Luckily I have a credit card and I'm not afraid of flying!

[lescygnes]

JF wrote:

If you were here JM, I'd have given it 15 minutes. And 40 seconds if you and Charlie are posting.

and Cher wrote:

Luckily I have a credit card and I'm not afraid of flying!

my reply....

hey JF, give me some credit here!!

at least this debate, for once, has turned positive. im just over it personally having been down this road more often than the Hume Hwy.

And Cher, Qantas and Virgin thank you for your patronage, although I think half the reason is the breakfasts at the Californian Caf? on Oxford St!!!!!

Staying away from Stanley Park and Wreck Beach....
John

[Cher]

Originally posted by lescygnes
JF wrote:

And Cher, Qantas and Virgin thank you for your patronage, although I think half the reason is the breakfasts at the Californian Caf? on Oxford St!!!!!

John

I haven't been to the Californian once this year!

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Originally posted by Cher
I haven't been to the Californian once this year!

Which is just as well, because it has been gutted to the ground.

U are coming on Sunday? Anyone up from Melbourne beside the bloody Bluenose from Mulgrave? ;-)

JF

PS:- Anyone up to organise an unofficial RWO gathering, seeing that it's Robbie's birthday?

[robbieando]

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
Anyone up from Melbourne beside the bloody Bluenose from Mulgrave? ;-)

Yep this Bluenose from Wheelers Hill

[Bear]

Originally posted by lizz
If we think that there are times when the team ought to put in an "extra special effort" the corollary is that we think it is acceptable that there are times when they consciously decide not to put in that effort. Is that really what you're saying?

Errr... no.

Firstly, if you are going to put words in quotation marks, make sure you actually quote the words I used. Otherwise you could be rightly accused of trying to distort what I said.

Secondly, don't put words in my mouth re "the collaroy" of my statement.

FYI, if you have played a VERY physical sport like Australian football, you would understand that it is not ALWAYS possibly to give 100%. It's actually quite unnatural for humans to willingly put their health on the line to take possession of a pig-skin-covered bladder. It's a sport that can have you on a great high one week and in hospital the next. My point here is that, as I found out today, the 21 guys you play football with are not ALL at their best every week, and sometimes you lose games because of this.

Do you not find it hard to give 100% EVERY time you go to work??? What makes footballers any different?

It would be great if we lived in your utopian, politically-correct world, where robots played in the red and white, but I don't think it's going to happen.

The original thread statement was about putting in a big effort for the occasion, and I stand by my, and the author's, point that it WAS a big occasion. Again, if you get offended by some wanting a really big effort for particular big matches, whether they be in Syd, Melb, or Perth, then you are failing to understand the human element of sport IMO.

[liz]

Originally posted by Bear
Errr... no.

Firstly, if you are going to put words in quotation marks, make sure you actually quote the words I used. Otherwise you could be rightly accused of trying to distort what I said.

Secondly, don't put words in my mouth re "the collaroy" of my statement.

When I quote someone I use the quotation function. I use quotation marks (without a specific reference) for emphasis.

The corollary was mine. I was not attributing it to you. And to me it seems a logical extension of your suggestion.

FYI, if you have played a VERY physical sport like Australian football, you would understand that it is not ALWAYS possibly to give 100%. It's actually quite unnatural for humans to willingly put their health on the line to take possession of a pig-skin-covered bladder. It's a sport that can have you on a great high one week and in hospital the next. My point here is that, as I found out today, the 21 guys you play football with are not ALL at their best every week, and sometimes you lose games because of this.

Do you not find it hard to give 100% EVERY time you go to work??? What makes footballers any different?

It would be great if we lived in your utopian, politically-correct world, where robots played in the red and white, but I don't think it's going to happen.

The original thread statement was about putting in a big effort for the occasion, and I stand by my, and the author's, point that it WAS a big occasion. Again, if you get offended by some wanting a really big effort for particular big matches, whether they be in Syd, Melb, or Perth, then you are failing to understand the human element of sport IMO.

I did not state that I expect players to be at their best every week. Indeed, I acknowledged that there are a number of factors, both physical and psychological, that affect players' abilities to play to their best on any particular week.

What I find hard to believe is that players make a conscious decision ahead of each game as to whether they are going to play the best they can. That has consistently been my point throughout this thread.

If you believe otherwise that's fine by me.

[Bear]

Originally posted by lizz
When I quote someone I use the quotation function. I use quotation marks (without a specific reference) for emphasis.

The corollary was mine. I was not attributing it to you. And to me it seems a logical extension of your suggestion.

I did not state that I expect players to be at their best every week. Indeed, I acknowledged that there are a number of factors, both physical and psychological, that affect players' abilities to play to their best on any particular week.

What I find hard to believe is that players make a conscious decision ahead of each game as to whether they are going to play the best they can. That has consistently been my point throughout this thread.

If you believe otherwise that's fine by me.

You may wish to re-read my post, as you did not understand which quote I was talking about. At no point did I use the words "extra special effort" which YOU put in quotes attributing to me. Comprende??

No-one, at ANY time has said that ANYONE makes a "conscious" decision to NOT put in their best effort PRIOR to a game. This is your fanciful mis-quoting and collaroying(??) (i.e. twisting) of comments.

Whether you accept it or not, certain games are more important than others and fans have a right to expect that players ensure they are 'up'.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Bear
You may wish to re-read my post, as you did not understand which quote I was talking about. At no point did I use the words "extra special effort" which YOU put in quotes attributing to me. Comprende??

I don't think you are understanding. Liz was using quotation marks for emphasis (she probably should have used ' ' instead), not as a quote of what you said. The 'extra special effort' comment was a reflection of what TreeSpirit and you were saying - he said "special effort" and "extra effort" and you said "big effort."

As far 'special efforts' for games go, people talk about this a bit, like for milestone games and similar, and I understand the sentiment, and you can appreciate that on some occasions they feel, or should feel, a bit more motivated. However, I think they should simply put in their best effort every week. After all, they only have to do it 22-26 times per year!!

I do agree with one of the original comments that for their first game in Melbourne it was a pretty crap effort.

[Mike_B]

Well it seems there was a better effort put in last week than this week - pity last week's was ordinary and today's was even worse!

[Go Swannies]

I reckon the Swannies will win a flag before this thread dies. Then can all the Sydney based fans bitch about the fact that our Grand Final was played at the MCG? (Though, after today, global warming - or continental drift - will have the MCG under water before we have a flag.)

[treespirit]

Originally posted by Mike_B
Well it seems there was a better effort put in last week than this week - pity last week's was ordinary and today's was even worse!

Maybe they WERE up last week, and I didn't notice.