Thoughts.

[Plugger46]

Just a few thoughts:

POSITIVES:

- Continued improvement of O'Keefe.
- Quality footballers such as Micky, Schaubs and Schneider to come back.
- Bazza burning.
- Not losing my big margins.
- Bevan and Buchanan showing that they can cut it.


NEGATIVES:

- Fosdike and J.Bolton are average footballers.
- Really struggle to win games without Micky
- Saddo is atrocious.
- Our disposal is disgraceful ie. Williams Fosdike, Mathews, Saddo, J.Bolton.
- Goodesy having a bad patch.
- Maxfield, finished.
- Lacking leadership.
- Height down back.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Re: Thoughts.

Originally posted by Plugger46
Just a few thoughts:

POSITIVES:

- Continued improvement of O'Keefe.
- Quality footballers such as Micky, Schaubs and Schneider to come back.
- Bazza burning.
- Not losing my big margins.
- Bevan and Buchanan showing that they can cut it.


NEGATIVES:

- Fosdike and J.Bolton are average footballers.
- Really struggle to win games without Micky
- Saddo is atrocious.
- Our disposal is disgraceful ie. Williams Fosdike, Mathews, Saddo, J.Bolton.
- Goodesy having a bad patch.
- Maxfield, finished.
- Lacking leadership.
- Height down back.

Don't really agree with you for much of that.

While the return of Micky, Schaubs and Schneider will be a big plus when it happens we really should have covered the Tiges without them

I don't think we lost because Micky was out he sure would have helped with his silky skills and wet weather smarts, but we have won many games without him.

Saddo is not atrocious, seeing the game on tv it is hard to know where every player is at the time but I am almost certain that Saddo played a full game forward.Kicking 2.1 which is more than Davis did but you havent said anything about him.

Just my point of view.

[DST]

Re: Thoughts.

Originally posted by Plugger46
Just a few thoughts:

POSITIVES:

- Continued improvement of O'Keefe.
- Quality footballers such as Micky, Schaubs and Schneider to come back.
- Bazza burning.
- Not losing my big margins.
- Bevan and Buchanan showing that they can cut it.


NEGATIVES:

- Fosdike and J.Bolton are average footballers.
- Really struggle to win games without Micky
- Saddo is atrocious.
- Our disposal is disgraceful ie. Williams Fosdike, Mathews, Saddo, J.Bolton.
- Goodesy having a bad patch.
- Maxfield, finished.
- Lacking leadership.
- Height down back.

Get off Saddo's back if you think he needed to be signled out for special attention over a few more highly regarded players on this board then you have rocks in your head.

DST

[Diego]

Leave Saddo as a perm forward. He can kick goals and the way he plays in defence (going for the mark and not the punch) means that those instincts are well suited up forward.

Biggest failure was Roos being outcoached, yet again, this time by a dud in Frawley.

I feel for players like ROK and Hall who are playing the best footy of their careers but are surrounded by some very mediocre players.

I wonder how Hall must feeling in regards to the Saints on 2004.

Oh well..another watsed season.

[DST]

Originally posted by Diego
Leave Saddo as a perm forward. He can kick goals and the way he plays in defence (going for the mark and not the punch) means that those instincts are well suited up forward.

Biggest failure was Roos being outcoached, yet again, this time by a dud in Frawley.

I feel for players like ROK and Hall who are playing the best footy of their careers but are surrounded by some very mediocre players.

I wonder how Hall must feeling in regards to the Saints on 2004.

Oh well..another watsed season.

The reality is that if Hall had stayed at the Saints he would probably would not be getting a game or would have been cut by now.

Hall is a 10 times better footballer now than he was at St Kilda, he needed the change to realise his potential.

DST

[dendol]

Originally posted by Diego
Leave Saddo as a perm forward. He can kick goals and the way he plays in defence (going for the mark and not the punch) means that those instincts are well suited up forward.

Biggest failure was Roos being outcoached, yet again, this time by a dud in Frawley.

I feel for players like ROK and Hall who are playing the best footy of their careers but are surrounded by some very mediocre players.

I wonder how Hall must feeling in regards to the Saints on 2004.

Oh well..another watsed season.

I dont think Roos got outcoached today. In the post-match media conference, he said that he gave the players a blast at halftime and 3qtr time about sticking to the game plan, but no one executed it.

And its pretty hard to judge tactics when you have about 30 players on the ball like today. Its a case of getting the ball forward at all costs - Richmond did this better than us today.

[NMWBloods]

Re: Thoughts.

POSITIVES:

- Continued improvement of O'Keefe.

Yep.

- Quality footballers such as Micky, Schaubs and Schneider to come back.

But who knows when the first two will ever come back and they are all now a worry with their hammies.

- Bazza burning.

Yep, although not much good if we can't get him the ball.

- Not losing my big margins.

Sure, but close losses aren't really a lot of consolation.

- Bevan and Buchanan showing that they can cut it.

Bevan probably, Buchanan still not sure.

NEGATIVES:

- Fosdike and J.Bolton are average footballers.

Pretty much.

- Really struggle to win games without Micky

Not sure if he is the missing ingredient.

- Saddo is atrocious.

Just an average performer. Been one of many passengers. No excuses.

[ugg]

Buchanan at least had a go today and made some great tackles. Whether he is the answer to our midfield remains to be seen.

[gossipcom]

Best moment of the game was when Buchanan charged down the kick and it went to RO'K who goalled from it - that was highlight of the match for me.

[ScottH]

Re: Thoughts.

Originally posted by Plugger46
Just a few thoughts:

NEGATIVES:

- Height down back.

That was probably one of the most notable things today, once ottens or stafford went forward we really struggled, with height.

[liz]

Re: Re: Thoughts.

Originally posted by hemsleys
That was probably one of the most notable things today, once ottens or stafford went forward we really struggled, with height.

That doesn't really explain the half dozen or so marks that Richardson took inside their 50, on the lead, with acres of space to lead into. Sure, height down back is a weakness but one that the team has managed to work with in the past.

[ScottH]

We have been able to cope with tall forwards in the past but occasionally we are found wanting.

Yeterday I don't think anyone was going to stop Richo.

And with regard to the acres of room, that also was of major concern, there seemed to be a lot of space for all tigers to run into, esp. on the rebound.

[boroboy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dendol
[B]I dont think Roos got outcoached today. In the post-match media conference, he said that he gave the players a blast at halftime and 3qtr time about sticking to the game plan, but no one executed it.


The fact he didn't get his message accross, yet the opposition coaches for the last 3 weeks have, suggests to me he is indeed being out-coached.

[EMJ]

In regards to Davis - he presented many times for the ball - but was overlooked.
He Delivered a fantastic long kick direct into Hall's hands, one Hall didn't drop.
He also ran down back and secured the ball a few times.

I watched fox footy last night and their full coverage of after the Geelong and Hawthorn match - one thing that stood out was Crawford attending with coach saying the players didn't put in and he was there as support for coach as the players needed to take the blame there was no more the coach could do - he had done and given everything - it was the players who trained well - but at game time didn't have any trust in each other and were uncertain if the ball they kicked would reach their team mate - no trust in each other.

This to me summed up our team - they didn't kick direct to each other - kicked to opposition and had no drive to get to the next run or compete for the ball.

Your thougts of the captain attending the aftermatch wrap up.?

Gerard Healey was one of the commentators and said he had said for some time that all captains should attend and be accountable.

Gerard was all gushy over Geelong and wrapping up Mooney. Sickening.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Re: Thoughts.

I'm beginning to think these Swans do not know how to handle the wet. Certainly it's not a case of ducks to water.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Plugger46

- Our disposal is disgraceful ie. Williams Fosdike, Mathews, Saddo, J.Bolton.
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The midfield posession-happy game has really been shown up badly by the wet weather and a man on man apponent (even an apponent as crap as the Tigers)

Our clearance rate at stoppages is woefull,

Originally posted by Plugger46

- Fosdike and J.Bolton are average footballers.

Maybe yes maybe no, but certainly without Goodesy in the ruck, (which provides us with a fourth midfielder at bounces ~ he roves a lot of his own taps) they are being made to LOOK average.

Ball and Doyle were beaten on the weekend (this happens ~ Ottens & Stafford are good players) however what was more worrying was that although our ruckmen got 20 odd taps I only saw one accepted cleanly by a grass burner.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Plugger46

- Goodesy having a bad patch.
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His fear of taking a shot on goals seems to keep growing, this week, when faced with a difficult shot from the bounday . . . he managed to play on over the boundary line.
Even the opposition knew there was no way he was going to have a shot.

So either he needs some remedial help from someone like plugger or we should stop putting him on the forward line.

So why isn't he in the ruck where he can be run into form?
Probably Roos believes his frame won't take the buffeting, that he will lose his spring from to many collisions. In this he's probably correct ~ can he however play anywhere other than the ruck?

A solution?

I believe he should be returned to the ruck, where he should spend half of each quater, the rest of the game should be spent either in the forward line "resting" (although not long because he really has phenomenal aerobic capacity) or as someone suggested in the preseason he should spend time on the ball as a ruck-rover.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Plugger46

- Maxfield, finished.
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I think possibly that may be the case, certainly I've seen nothing this year that suggests this shouldn't be his last.