Goodes at CHB

[dendol]

On todays outing, Im not sure how he is progressing. He got outmarked at least 3 times in a body-on-body contest with young De Luca and Norman - both very skinny, but were able to out-mark him. Roos was even forced to move him to CHF, and gave C Bolton the job on De Luca, despite giving away so much height.

Its still very early days, I know, but I'd still prefer him to play ruck-rover, or play as the ruckman at stoppages, where there isnt as much crash and bash. He is never going to win a Brownlow at CHB. His true value is his ability to find space when playing on less mobile ruckmen, or creating mismatches in height and strength when tagged by a midfielder.

[Schneidergirl]

I see where you are coming from, but aside from todays game I've thought he has been pretty good at CHB.

I think I'll leave it up to Roos to determine the best position for him

[RogueSwan]

As I have mentioned on another thread, I just don't think he is a defensive player. He is creative and attacking and a bit too unaccountable for his man.

[NMWBloods]

He needs to play as a ruck rover and be given his freedom - just lacks the discipline needed as a defender.

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
He needs to play as a ruck rover and be given his freedom - just lacks the discipline needed as a defender.

Ditto for me, especially once Schauble is back. We can definitely use his skills, particularly his ability to keep his arms free to give off the handball around the ground playing as ruck rover with the option of pushing forward or back as the loose man in defence.

[Foreign Legion]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
He needs to play as a ruck rover and be given his freedom - just lacks the discipline needed as a defender.

I agree NMW - problem is - who do we put in the backline to replace Adam?

Goodesy is a long term ruck rover - he'd win another Brownlow there I reckon.

As an aside: we are bloody lucky we recruited Craig Bolton when we did - a much underrated player.

Cheers

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Foreign Legion
I agree NMW - problem is - who do we put in the backline to replace Adam?

Unfortunately no one at the moment - just have to hope Schauble is back soon. Although I'd like to see James get another go.

Edit to fix typo!

[Bleed Red Blood]

I was talking about this with my Dad, suggesting that Goodes is such an important player that if he isn't performing in an area, he should be moved, my Dad didn't think so, "gaining experience in all area's of the ground"

[Captain]

Yep Goodes doesn't look comfortable at CHB. He was completely out positioned on numerous occassions by smaller opponents.

He needs to play on the ball for mine and have no accountability. One of our biggest strengths and threats is having the opposition tear their hair out over who will play on him. When he is at CHB they can almost dictate terms.

[EMJ]

Radio fm 101.7 in Sydney said late this arvo Schauble could be back next week.

[Nico]

What you all fail to recognise is that this bloke is carrying an injury that resticts his mobility. I winced everytime he got the ball thinking he would completely break down.

He is doing a sensational job just getting on the ground. Get used to it because unless a miracle operation is invented soon he may be set to play this way for the rest of his career.

[RogueSwan]

Originally posted by Nico
He is doing a sensational job just getting on the ground.

No one is doubting that, we are justing commenting on the way he plays in defence, just appearing too unaccountable.

I get nervous watching him try and twist and turn, hoping that he won't do any more any more damage.

He seemed pretty to have good mobility early on in the game, showing the ball and weaving through the opposition.

[sharpie]

I would be surprised if Goodes has had any real training at CHB during preseasons. That is the time he can really learn how to play the position. He would have been training as a ruckman or loose roving player throughout last preseason I would think. Regardless of his injury, I doubt you can learn a completely different style of play in the weeekly training sessions between games in the middle of a season. He needs a solid preseason learning how to cope with his knee and learning the CHB trade.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

I agree with many of you when Schauble returns we get two bonuses,

Firstly it means the backline can be stabilised. We could even bring back James and give him another shot down back ~ only this time he won't have to establish himself on the biggest and best opposition forward.

Secondly it means we put Adam Goodes back on the ball where he belongs, he looks lost on the forward line and he's far too loose on the backline. On the ball he can trust his reading of the play and return to Brownlow form (yes I know he's injured but the injury is too slight for an operation).

Also given that big Jason Ball is going to need a break soon (back spasms not good) it may give the Swans a chance to see what a Doyle/Goodes ruck partnership would be like.

Doyle takes the centre square bounce then moves forward to provide some height up there, and Goodes gets to run around the ground.


However I'm repeating myself as you see from an earlier post (May 10) . . .


Without Goodes in the ruck, (which provides us with a fourth midfielder at bounces ~ he roves a lot of his own taps) we loose a lot at clearances. And if the opposition taggs Kirk, as Richmond did, then we're really stuffed.

So why isn't he in the ruck where he can be run into form?
Probably Roos believes his frame won't take the buffeting, that he will lose his spring from too many collisions (ala Dermott Brereton). In this he's probably correct ~ but CAN he however play anywhere other than the ruck?

I believe like many of you he should be returned to the midfield, he should spend half of each quater in the ruck (about all he can stand), the rest of the game should be spent either in the forward line "resting" (although not long because he really has phenomenal aerobic capacity) or as someone suggested in the preseason he should spend time on the ball. Not however at centre square bounces.
I think I'm right now.


Five days later they sent Goodes back to the centre square and he did his knee, I was right then and I think I'm right now!

[Sid]

There is absolutely no doubt that his best position is rucking. I just remember all those marks he took when we were kicking out of their square, and wherever he appears around the ground, theres something to do for him.

But i guess we'll see how he goes after schaubs comes back.