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[dread and might]

Originally posted by Donners

O?Loughlin ? A forward line with O?Keefe, Hall, Goodes, Davis and Schneider/Buchanan is more than strong enough. O?Keefe has taken O?Loughlin?s role across half forward, and he?s just left playing a shallow role out of a pocket, which is a waste. May as well trade him while we can still get something.

Maxfield ? Offering at best short bursts, which is not good enough for a key midfielder, let alone a captain. Pretty much back to 2000 form, which is not a good thing.

with no disrespect to o'keefe, ARE YOU SERIOUS? o'keefe is young and only going to get better, but to suggest that he has taken o'loughlins' role.....mick still commands a top defender, doesn't get in barry halls' way and his (often overlooked) disposal by hand is something other players can dream about attaining one day.

to each their own, opinions are opinions and i'm not trying to flame but that's my two cents worth on that.

[monopoly19]

Originally posted by Tooth Fairy
Can someone give me a synopsis of what happens in this thread. I really can't be bothered reading another thread on how to whip a dead horse.

Basically, we should trade everyone.

Well, not really, but Fossie and Ablett seem to be the most popular choices.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Ablett(unless he can consistantly perform like he did in the Carlton game)

Fosdike, 2nd round pick to be on traded for Bradshaw!

Hunt, not worth keeping him around.

Powell, from all reports isnt lifting a finger in the ressies, at least offer him around as a potential and he may do something.

Not O'Loughlin nor Mathews or Crouch.

Maybe Sunqvist, we have midfielders aplenty.

Keep Saddo, may be very valuable with his marking as a midfielder.

[footyhead]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Ablett(unless he can consistantly perform like he did in the Carlton game)

Fosdike, 2nd round pick to be on traded for Bradshaw!

Hunt, not worth keeping him around.

Powell, from all reports isnt lifting a finger in the ressies, at least offer him around as a potential and he may do something.

Not O'Loughlin nor Mathews or Crouch.

Maybe Sunqvist, we have midfielders aplenty.

Keep Saddo, may be very valuable with his marking as a midfielder.

So apart from ablett and fosdike, you would keep evry one of our senior players actually in the 1sts ?? well good luck with getting a premeirship that way.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Of course, well this is trade bait no one is going to pick up Warfe, apart from that we have a very good young team, there is no reason to let go of Crouch or Mathews, they are integral parts of the team.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Of course, well this is trade bait no one is going to pick up Warfe, apart from that we have a very good young team, there is no reason to let go of Crouch or Mathews, they are integral parts of the team.

Is the team good enough? An integral part of a team coming second is close but no cigar, my friend.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
we have a very good young team

No we don't. St Kilda, Geelong and Melbourne do but we are just a middle of the road team with most of our good kids already in the seniors and pretty much no depth for the important positions. Also our midfield just isn't going to win us a premiership anytime soon. We have the makings of some good parts to a midfield but we just don't have that Michael Voss type to impact on matches, like it or not Jude and Willo aren't up to it and the longer we take to solve this the longer the fall will be because the defence as good as it is can't soak up this much pressure for too much longer.

I wish people would stop talking about getting players like Chris Judd, because he isn't available at any price and if he was available and we gave up the asking price to the Eagles he would have no one around him to make such a move worth while.

[TheMase]

I think we have to make some very hard decisions.
Obviously we don't have the players that can win a premiership at the moment.

So we have to do what we can to get those players. Whether that means trading players that we see as an integral part of the team or not remains to be the case.

Every player is tradable if the right deal presented itself.

Players that are tradable? Everyone, but the following players can be replaced in the respective positions by other players in the side:

Luke Abett
Amon Buchanan
Jared Crouch
Nick Davis
Stephen Doyle
Ben Fixter
Nic Fosdike
Heath James
Nick Malceski
Ben Matthews
Scott McGlone
Jarrad McVeigh
James Meiklejohn
Matthew Nicks
Ryan O'Keefe
Mark Powell
Lewis Roberts-Thompson
Aaron Rogers
Jason Saddington
Adam Schneider
Jarrad Sundqvist

(Not saying all these players should go. I am saying they can be replaced by someone else in the side. That player may also be in that list, but they are in that list for the same reasoning. Obviously we would not get rid of both of them if that be the case.)

That means the only players that I think cannot be replaced are:

Jude Bolton (lack of options)
Leo Barry
Craig Bolton (lack of options)
Adam Goodes
Barry Hall
Tadhg Kennelly (potential)
Brett Kirk
Michael O'Loughlin
Andrew Schuable

Kids that are still undecided on or doing well in seniors:

Paul Bevan
Matthew Davis
Sean Dempster
Andrew Eriksson
Tim Schmidt
Joshua Thewlis
Josh Willoughby

Players that would have little trade value:

Jason Ball
Paul Williams
Stuart Maxfield
Rowan Warfe


Just a thought....

[swans_premiers]

Originally posted by swansrule100
maybe crouch or matthews for a good player..

Somehow i don't think we would trade Crouch after playing 140+ consecutive games since debut

[stellation]

Originally posted by TheMase

Players that are tradable? Everyone, but the following players can be replaced in the respective positions by other players in the side:

x-snip-x
Nick Davis
x-snip-x

I realize it is a hypothetical list, and the list included a large number of players, but I would argue that this year has shown that we don't have a ready replacement for Nicky D. Pebbles has come on well as a HFF, but plays very differently to Nicky D on the HFF.

Edit: Oh just ignore me, that is so picky!

[Newbie]

Originally posted by TheMase

Luke Abett
Amon Buchanan
Jared Crouch
Nick Davis
Stephen Doyle
Ben Fixter
Nic Fosdike
Heath James
Nick Malceski
Ben Matthews
Scott McGlone
Jarrad McVeigh
James Meiklejohn
Matthew Nicks
Ryan O'Keefe
Mark Powell
Lewis Roberts-Thompson
Aaron Rogers
Jason Saddington
Adam Schneider
Jarrad Sundqvist

Out of this list, who would people think
1. Could nest us a top 25 pick?
2. Who would have the best is still to come and would be worth more in future?

If a player is:
Not in List (1) nor list (2): No body care.
In list (1) NOT list(2): reasonable trade list.
In list (1) in list (2): to keep at all cost.
NOT in list (1) In List (2): to trade only the other party pays a premium.

[swansrule100]

Originally posted by swans_premiers
Somehow i don't think we would trade Crouch after playing 140+ consecutive games since debut

i dont want to!!!!!

just if we want good players have to give a team something reasonable and crouch would be someone others want... would have to be a good player mind you!!! but for the right deal anyone could be traded

[caj23]

Here's my view, its not easy

This is done on the assumption that we are not targetting any big names such as Ottens, if so we may have to lose a quality player or 2

Luke Abett Trade/delist
May not have done enough to keep his spot, minimal trade value

Amon Buchanan Keep
Saved his career

Jared Crouch keep
Heart and soul

Nick Davis keep
no more injuries please!

Stephen Doyle Must keep
desparately need him to realise his potential

Ben Fixter Keep/possible trade
one of my faves but injuries against him

Nic Fosdike keep/possible trade
trade only if the right deal came along - not an integral player

Heath James keep
minimal trade value and has shown enough to persevere with, 2005 will be last chance though

Nick Malceski keep
showed enough before injury

Ben Matthews keep/possible trade
see Fosdike

Scott McGlone keep/possible delist
tough call - would like to see him at senior level before making the call

Jarrad McVeigh keep
alot riding on him

James Meiklejohn delist/possible rookie
don't know why they upgraded from rookie just can't see him making it, would retain as back up if ball retires

Matthew Nicks keep
had him gone 3 months ago, has saved his career with 2004 performances, looks like the kick up the bum has done him good

Ryan O'Keefe keep
great game Sunday

Mark Powell possible trade/delist
doesn't seem to fit into Roos plans, suprised that he's gone backwards this year
think we could snare a draft pick for him from someone

Lewis Roberts-Thompson keep
Future CHB

Aaron Rogers keep
send him back to rookie list for another season 2005 crunch season for him

Jason Saddington keep
redeemed himself when shifted from CHB, not tradable due to our lack of quality talls

Adam Schneider keep
needed a run in the 2s after injury

Jarrad Sundqvist delist
harsh but didn't show enough with the chances he had, unfortunate that injury came at pivotal time in career, possible rookie spot

Jude Bolton keep
needs to step up another level

Leo Barry keep
enough said

Craig Bolton keep
as above

Adam Goodes keep
obviously

Barry Hall keep
2004 B&F

Tadhg Kennelly keep
gone backwards a bit this year, but a swan for life

Brett Kirk keep
no comment required

Michael O'Loughlin keep
a braver man would contemplate trading him - can't doubt the talent but given his injury history some may consider

Andrew Schuable keep

Paul Bevan keep

Matthew Davis keep
hopefully see him in the 1s next year

Sean Dempster keep
give him a game roosy!

Andrew Eriksson keep

Tim Schmidt keep

Joshua Thewlis keep

Josh Willoughby keep

Jason Ball keep/retire
would like to see him play 1 more season but body may not allow him to - god help us if he does and we don't trade for an established replacement

Paul Williams keep

Stuart Maxfield keep

Rowan Warfe delist

[swansrule100]

ill try......

Luke Abett Keep/ trade
hes shown something worth keeping, but i think he could be someone other clubs would trade for...so use him there

Amon Buchanan Keep
Saved his career agree

Jared Crouch keep
Heart and soul agree only trade if part of a deal for a premier player....eg N.Lappin

Nick Davis keep
i think he is young and classy just needs an injury free year 2005 is a make or break year though

Stephen Doyle Must keep
have gone this far....his shot now ball is older

Ben Fixter Trade
trade while he is worth something... i like him but hes injury prone

Nic Fosdike keep
one more year ...dont think anyone else has their eye on him

Heath James delist
sad....but is just never going to make it

Nick Malceski keep
showed enough before injury (agreed)

Ben Matthews keep/possible trade
see crouch

Scott McGlone TRY THIS YEAR??
havent seen him yet how do we know

Jarrad McVeigh keep
hes comming along

James Meiklejohn banish from all football grounds!!!!

he cant play im sorry :P

Matthew Nicks keep
he was set to be more than hes become in about 1998...but has now become a good solid player

Ryan O'Keefe keep
a good player only getting better

Mark Powell possible trade/delist
doesn't seem to fit into Roos plans, suprised that he's gone backwards this year
think we could snare a draft pick for him from someone(agreed)

Lewis Roberts-Thompson keep
Future CHB

yeh i like LRT

Aaron Rogers DELIST
not quite AFL stuff

Jason Saddington keep
is a good player has enough left to keep him

Adam Schneider keep
needed a run in the 2s after injury (agree)

Jarrad Sundqvist delist
harsh but didn't show enough with the chances he had, unfortunate that injury came at pivotal time in career, possible rookie spot
(agree)

Jude Bolton keep
needs to step up another level...(is starting too of late)

Leo Barry keep
a great player in the leagues top 100 possibly 50

Craig Bolton keep
never plays a bad game

Adam Goodes keep
a superstar

Barry Hall keep
2004 B&F
the best player on the list as of this moment a CHAMPION

Tadhg Kennelly keep
gone backwards a bit this year, but a swan for life (agreed)

Brett Kirk keep
one of the best midfielders in the game

Michael O'Loughlin keep
deserves to become a 200 game swan.... even at his best is up and down

Andrew Schuable keep
if next year is like this year might be time to think about moving on but he is good at his best

Paul Bevan keep
best young player we have

Matthew Davis keep
hopefully see him in the 1s next year (agree)

Sean Dempster keep
give him a game roosy! (agree)

Andrew Eriksson keep

Tim Schmidt keep

Joshua Thewlis keep

Josh Willoughby keep (agree with these 3)

Jason Ball keep/retire
im thinking retirement at the moment!!!

Paul Williams keep

Stuart Maxfield keep

Rowan Warfe let him mow the lawns or do something to pay us back for the last two or three years

[robbieando]

Luke Ablett - Trade
Sadly I just don't think he'll ever become the player we thought he would become when we drafted him. So we should put him out there and hope for a bite while he still has some value. Has shown a bit in the last few weeks and if we can't trade him away I wouldn't be too upset if we kept him on the list for next season.
Jason Ball - Keep
The club MUST do all it can to talk him into playing on next season, otherwise his loss might just send us right down the ladder until we get in place a replacement. Still has what it takes to play ruck, despite no longer being able to rest up forward and kick a few goals.
Leo Barry - Keep
Paul Bevan - Keep
Find of the season. However we must find a spot for him on the senior list, otherwise he will be playing elsewhere next season.
Craig Bolton - Keep
Jude Bolton - Keep
Despite all this talk of his contract in the last few days, he is still a very much needed player.
Amon Buchanan - Keep
Done enough to prove that he was worth the second chance and maybe has overtaken Schneider as our best small forward.
Jared Crouch - Keep
Talk of trading him on here is just that - TALK. You don't trade players like Crouch. His role in the side is far more important than people give him credit for.
Matthew Davis - Keep
Nick Davis - Keep
I wouldn't think of trading him, however he really needs to prove he can stay clear of injuries.
Sean Dempster - Keep
Stephen Doyle - Keep
Considering the lack of depth we have in the ruck, to trade Doyle would be a HUGE mistake.
Andrew Eriksson - Keep
Ben Fixter - Keep
Nic Fosdike - Trade
Look the time has come with Nic to just bite the bullet and say "we made a mistake". He needs a new start and we need a midfielder who makes more of an impact.
Adam Goodes - Keep
Barry Hall - Keep
Heath James - Keep
Unfairly blamed for losses during the "4 in a row" early in the season. Showed good signs early on and god knows we need as many tall defenders as we can get.
Tadhg Kennelly - Keep
Brett Kirk - Keep
Nick Malceski - Delist
Its a tough call on the kid, but we need to open up at least four spots on the senior list. I would however redraft via the rookie list, because he has shown some good form in the seconds.
Ben Mathews - Keep
Same reason as Crouch.
Stuart Maxfield - Keep
Scott McGlone - Back to Rookie List
Jarrad McVeigh - Keep
James Meiklejohn - Delist
Isn't even good at the Canberra League Level.
Matthew Nicks - Keep
How about putting him on a rolling one year contract, because he has shown alot since coming back, so is at least worth a spot on the list for next season.
Ryan O'Keefe - Keep
If Bevan was the biggest find, then O'Keefe was the biggest improver.
Michael O'Loughlin - Keep
Despite the knees, I would rather Magic on our side than against us.
Mark Powell - Keep
Could be delisted but I would give one last chance.
Lewis Roberts-Thompson - Keep
The Huge disappointment of the year, really expected alot out of him, sadly hasn't delieved and personally if he keeps up this form next season the crop will be a chance.
Aaron Rogers - Back to the Rookie List
Jason Saddington - Keep
Tim Schmidt - Keep
Adam Schneider - Keep
Andrew Schuable - Keep
Jarrad Sundqvist - Delist
Same reason as Malceski, and like Malceski I would pick him up for the Rookie List.
Joshua Thewlis - Keep
Rowan Warfe - Delist
FINALLY
Paul Williams - Keep
Josh Willoughby