Roos praising @@@@house players again

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Originally posted by Diego
I find this a patronising post to most of us on here who do watch the swans every week. Who are you to judge what we do Jules? You are just a cheer squad person at the end of the day. nothing more.

So what if you follow the team around, does that make you mightier than all of us? I find it pathetic you even had to mention you spent 500 bucks this weekend. Do i care? No. That's your problem not mine, sucks to be you.

I get the ****s when people make comments like the ones you make here.

"I hope the board and the club doesn't have a say in this in terms of marketable players not playing. If this is the case i refuse to support them and rather just be a neutral football lover."

Are you seriously saying that they are playing Goodesy because he has a higher profile than somebody like Scott McGlone or Josh Thewlis? Am I supposed to accept for one minute that Roos's match selections are being comprimised to sell the marketability of the team (ala Sailor with the Wallabies)? Saying something like that is ridiculous in the extreme mate.

I think Roosey even said that Goodes at 80% is still better than most others at 100%. Is he a liability, well his inability to move with the flow of the ball like he normally does did prove crucial in Geelong. I'll readily admit it.

But are we for one minute saying that somebody like Heath James would have been any better? You may argue to this effect. But I still beg to differ.

Yes, yesterday was crap. But I have confidence that Roos will have the team playing far far better against Brisbane. Does that mean we will bring the 4 points back from Perth, hell no? Does it mean that it will take away the bitter taste of yesterday's effort, hell no?

Loses are just things that happen, I'm afraid. This dog ain't dead yet.

I refuse to let the posters on RWO who are all gloom and doom after every single loss take me away from being optimistic. Yesterday was crap. Hopefully they can learn from it and put in a better effort next week.

Sometimes you have to roll with the punches I guess.

JF

[swansrule100]

Roosy is probably angry as hell behind closed doors...

if he berated the players publicly people would probably complain!

he is doing what he thinks is best...trying to keep faith in his men and i think we all should keep faith in him!!

[Diego]

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
I get the ****s when people make comments like the ones you make here.



Are you seriously saying that they are playing Goodesy because he has a higher profile than somebody like Scott McGlone or Josh Thewlis? Am I supposed to accept for one minute that Roos's match selections are being comprimised to sell the marketability of the team (ala Sailor with the Wallabies)? Saying something like that is ridiculous in the extreme mate.

I think Roosey even said that Goodes at 80% is still better than most others at 100%. Is he a liability, well his inability to move with the flow of the ball like he normally does did prove crucial in Geelong. I'll readily admit it.

But are we for one minute saying that somebody like Heath James would have been any better? You may argue to this effect. But I still beg to differ.

Yes, yesterday was crap. But I have confidence that Roos will have the team playing far far better against Brisbane. Does that mean we will bring the 4 points back from Perth, hell no? Does it mean that it will take away the bitter taste of yesterday's effort, hell no?

Loses are just things that happen, I'm afraid. This dog ain't dead yet.

I refuse to let the posters on RWO who are all gloom and doom after every single loss take me away from being optimistic. Yesterday was crap. Hopefully they can learn from it and put in a better effort next week.

Sometimes you have to roll with the punches I guess.

JF

Have you watched the reply of yesterdays game Jules? If so tell me what worth was it having Adam Goodes play yesterday?

Would you rather see one Adam Goodes playing at 40% in say 2007 b/c he played with two bung knees in 2004?

Stop drowning in your optimism (which aint a bad thing most times..but not anymore for the swans of 2004) Jules and come up for air mate.

[Diego]

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
I get the ****s when people make comments like the ones you make here.
JF

Well your the one who needs to tell us all how much you spend every weekend following the team around. ****s me when people need to boast like that.

[chammond]

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
Guys, let's not over-react now. The football we played was woeful at time yesterday, yet we still very nearly stole the game from the Dockers.

Last season we had a pretty decent run with injuries. This year it hasn't been the case. As shown by our game at Port we just do NOT have the depth to cope with that. There are no magic cures for this. We will just have to live with the players we have.

Roosey's aim is to put the best team he can onto the field. That often requires having to play only semi-fit players. For this reason Nicky Davis is playing in Canberra rather than Perth. This is a good move. It may been been better for Adam Schneider to play in Canberra this weekend too. But it may not have been the best thing for the Sydney Footy Club's senior team.

All you people screaming about resting unfit players, where are we going to find replacements for those out? Schauble has been out for yonks yet is highly serviceable every week. Shouldn't he be playing in Canberra too because he isnt match-fit yet?

Or are we going to see players like Thewlis come in, make mistakes, get crucified by nongs on this board, lose their confidence, and return to the Magoos shells of the players they could perhaps be. Seriously, think of the big picture of things, some of you lot.

Goodesey lack of fitness and body endurance is common knowledge to everyone. Are we saying we should not play him? He has bung knees, so playing him on the ball is not only suicide, but a huge risk to our most important piece of cattle.

We arrived in Perth not ready to play. The Dockers were lightning quick in our defensive 50 to stop our play-on running type of football. We buckled under this pressure and made some horrendous skill errors both under pressure or (even) worse when in totally open space. This is the area where I think Roosey has to work with the players at. When our intensity level is down our skill level is atrocious. But when you are firing out 10 handballs to get to half back, it is only to be expected that some of these are going to eventually go to the wrong person. Especially when your confidence is shot, as it was yesterday.

So of you people on this forum need to have a serious look at yourselves. To hear people publicly saying that they are going to stop following to the team because we are losing is pathetic.

Yes losing sucks. Did it make me happy, well hell no! Try seeing how I felt at half time yesterday having known that $500+ to get over here was going down the gurgler (when I'm broke until next pay day).Some of your guys should start becoming a little more realistic about things after losses.

You never know, this same old team is ideosyncratic enough to really test Brisbane next Saturday.

Or are some of you sooks going to start hopping off the bandwagon now because things aren't going as well as you were hoping?

I'm in, are all you lot!?

JF

Well JF, I have to admit that I don't often agree with you (not that that means much), but I think you are spot on here . . . .

As far as the Freo match is concerned, the umpiring in the second quarter cost us at least 3 goals . . . without that we could have hit the front in the last quarter . . . . and then . . who knows?

Nevertheless, the best team won.

Does that mean we can't beat the Lions? No, of course it doesn't. On a good day we can beat any team.

Bring 'em on!

[Nico]

Although I am pretty annoyed by the skills and decision making of the team and the garbage they served up yesterday, I believe Roos has to do something about the structure of the team.

Last year he was the master of the element of surprise, this year he has been painstakingly predicatable. As I said on a different thread he must now start to crank up the midfield with players like Bevan and McVeigh who are fierce at the ball. Show some versatility, reduce the number of taggers and give them some freedom.

A tip on the next draft. Find some players who can kick.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Originally posted by Nico
Although I am pretty annoyed by the skills and decision making of the team and the garbage they served up yesterday, I believe Roos has to do something about the structure of the team.

Last year he was the master of the element of surprise, this year he has been painstakingly predicatable. As I said on a different thread he must now start to crank up the midfield with players like Bevan and McVeigh who are fierce at the ball. Show some versatility, reduce the number of taggers and give them some freedom.

A tip on the next draft. Find some players who can kick.

Some of our players CAN kick. But when they are under pressure and have 2-3 half forwards chasing them thus resulting in a disposal that doesn't even resemble a drop punt, what do you expect.

They just didn't rock up to play mentally yesterday. I saw that with the way several of them meandered through the banner at the start of the match.

But don't you think the major reason efforts are so laboured this year is because opposition sides know how to play us. They stop us from playing on in our defensive 50 by being hot on the mark (or by flooding). Hence we cannot get out of defense successfully by using our quick handpassing game.

I still believe the major reason we lost was our inability to get the ball successfully out of our defensive 50.

JF

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Originally posted by Diego
Have you watched the reply of yesterdays game Jules? If so tell me what worth was it having Adam Goodes play yesterday?

Would you rather see one Adam Goodes playing at 40% in say 2007 b/c he played with two bung knees in 2004?

Stop drowning in your optimism (which aint a bad thing most times..but not anymore for the swans of 2004) Jules and come up for air mate.

Call me a stubborn unrealistic Swans supporter, but I have a sneaking suspicion that we will upset a Lions side who will approach this week's game as if it were a push-over. Nothing concrete to base it on; just a gut feeling. The same sort of one I had before the Sainters game. I might be horribly wrong. But I just have a gut feeling that the players will be filthy at the effort they put in yesterday. And will be out to prove something to doubting Thomases.

Injuries aside, I don't things you can compare Goodes last year with this year. Last year he was on the ball. Nobody could tag him because he was a ruckman. Hence he just kept getting the ball and doing great things with it (Port final).

This year he has to worry about an opponent as much as he has to worry about getting the ball and starting Swans forays upfield. It is common knowledge that he is not the close-checking type of player in any case. Some forwards (ie Tredrea) have killed him because of it.

Despite his lack of fitness he still was able to go on a 3 bounce run in the 4th quarter. The question has to be asked, is he able to play his best footy at CHB. And if he fitness were better, would that change things?

JF

[swansrule100]

ill back us to beat the lions....

the swans are still a finals team at their best.... they simply are inconsistent at the moment.

despite freo was on a high from winning against the crows for only the 2nd time ever and we are pretty rubbish at subiaco anyway...

i tip us to beat the lions... and when we do people who are complaining now will no doubt be singing the praises of the team :P


for the record we are 4 and 12 at subiaco according to the site i checked

[sharpie]

Anyone who thinks we were in with a shot of winning in the 2nd half is kidding themselves. The only times we showed any form were when Freo were 40-50 points ahead and cruising at half pace. As soon as the margin got near 20 points and Freo felt a little bit of pressure, they lifted again and flogged us for a few goals to restore the safety buffer.

The important thing is that we were @@@@ hopeless when the game was there to be won in the 1st half.

[swansrule100]

we are ****house for periods every week and if we win its a struggle .... i think the scores keep making us look better than we play

[tez]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
[B]Call me a stubborn unrealistic Swans supporter, but I have a sneaking suspicion that we will upset a Lions side who will approach this week's game as if it were a push-over. Nothing concrete to base it on; just a gut feeling.

I agree JF. I was at the dorkers game and it was one we
didn't deserve to win. IMHO Goodes should not have been
playing and should be given the chance to get fit. A 100%
fit Goodes is awesome but at 80% level of fitness he is
struggling.

[Schneidergirl]

Ruda & JF refreshing, to say the very least.

Although Roos press confrences/write ups are predictable, I don't think we'll be hearing him public condemming our players for their poor form.
I understand it may be frustrating to listen to the same excuses week in week out, but you're just have to put up with it.

Anyway... looking forward to this weekend!!! I get to watch the greatest football team of all on Sat night.

I will be tipping the Swans though.

[Nico]

Some of our players CAN kick. But when they are under pressure and have 2-3 half forwards chasing them thus resulting in a disposal that doesn't even resemble a drop punt, what do you expect.


What, I don't believe I read that balderdash. You can't be serious.
You know Jack Shizen about the skills of the game.

If a player cannot kick the ball properly on the run with a player or two on his tail then he shouldn't be playing at AFL level. This is basic stuff you teach kids at Auskick.

A top side does not have "some players who can kick", they have a team full of them eg. Brisbane and Port Adelaide.

The following players from last week's team who are poor kicks are: Matthews, Schauble, Crouch, Bolton J, Ball, Buchanan, Schneider and Ablett. Surprising about Ablett because when he was drafted he was described as a beautiful, deep, penetrating kick. The very worst is Fizzdike who did not play.

Just scrapping into the average are: Kirk, Kennelly (don't let him kick out please) C.Bolton, Bevan.

Genuinely good kicks are: O'Keefe, Maxfield (waster) Goodes, Barry, Nicks, Williams, Davis, Hall, Doyle (when he gets it) McVeigh.

So yes we have SOME good kicks, but nowhere near enough.

Footnote: although we have some good kicks very few are adept at hitting a target.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Nico
Some of our players CAN kick. But when they are under pressure and have 2-3 half forwards chasing them thus resulting in a disposal that doesn't even resemble a drop punt, what do you expect.


What, I don't believe I read that balderdash. You can't be serious.
You know Jack Shizen about the skills of the game.

If a player cannot kick the ball properly on the run with a player or two on his tail then he shouldn't be playing at AFL level. This is basic stuff you teach kids at Auskick.

Yep - this comment staggered me beyond belief. If you can't kick when someone is chasing you then you can't kick. It's that simple!

The following players from last week's team who are poor kicks are: Matthews, Schauble, Crouch, Bolton J, Ball, Buchanan, Schneider and Ablett. Surprising about Ablett because when he was drafted he was described as a beautiful, deep, penetrating kick. The very worst is Fizzdike who did not play.

Just scrapping into the average are: Kirk, Kennelly (don't let him kick out please) C.Bolton, Bevan.

Genuinely good kicks are: O'Keefe, Maxfield (waster) Goodes, Barry, Nicks, Williams, Davis, Hall, Doyle (when he gets it) McVeigh.

So yes we have SOME good kicks, but nowhere near enough.

Footnote: although we have some good kicks very few are adept at hitting a target.

I don't think Goodes is a particularly good kick - a lot of floaters and shocking when kicking for goal.

C.Bolton I would be tempted to put into the poor kick category.

Kirk's kicking is average, but he is sensible enough to know that, so he handballs a lot.

Kennelly has the potential to be a good kick, but decision making messes him up.

Barry is mixed - misses targets a bit and I'm not sure whether I would classify him as good rather than average.

McVeigh lacks penetration with his kicking.

Maxfield and Williams are both good kicks, but seem to struggle to find targets as well as they used to.