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  • Rob-bloods
    What a year 2005 SSFC/CFC
    • Aug 2003
    • 931

    Key Defender

    Can anyone who protests we do not need a key defender please let me know how many contested marks we have taken in the defensive 50 lately?

    A key tall defender is as vital to our improvement as a key midfielder.

    With Williams inffective yesterday, Kirk working his butt off, we lacked a class midfielder...but also key defender.

    Freos talls are hardly competition heavyweights but they ran around taking soft marks inside our 50.
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  • motorace_182
    On the Rookie List
    • Jan 2003
    • 961

    #2
    Doyles uncontested drop yesterday was pathetic, he really is not AFL standard. Goodesy has to be rested surely, he can not continue to lay under these conditions. The way Mcmanus stepped him and Goodes could only watch highlighted that. He may be able to pick up marks across the backline but does not contest, does not shepherd, he struggles to do the basics now. Give someone else a run
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    • sharpie
      On the Rookie List
      • Jul 2003
      • 1588

      #3
      I actually thought Goodes did ok, considering his lack of mobility. I cant remember too many times he was out-marked during the game.
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      • Diego
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Jan 2003
        • 946

        #4
        I think he was a shadow of his self yesterday. Handballs not finding targets and just bad footy.

        Have him on ice until 2005.

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        • daniel f
          On the Rookie List
          • Aug 2003
          • 314

          #5
          Re: Key Defender

          Originally posted by Rob-bloods
          Can anyone who protests we do not need a key defender please let me know how many contested marks we have taken in the defensive 50 lately?

          A key tall defender is as vital to our improvement as a key midfielder.

          With Williams inffective yesterday, Kirk working his butt off, we lacked a class midfielder...but also key defender.

          Freos talls are hardly competition heavyweights but they ran around taking soft marks inside our 50.
          If you think about it there really shouldnt be too many contested marks in our back 50 as most coaches will drag a player that has tried to outmark their opponent in defense as they should always be going the punch.
          daniel f

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          • daniel f
            On the Rookie List
            • Aug 2003
            • 314

            #6
            Originally posted by motorace_182
            Doyles uncontested drop yesterday was pathetic, he really is not AFL standard. Goodesy has to be rested surely, he can not continue to lay under these conditions. The way Mcmanus stepped him and Goodes could only watch highlighted that. He may be able to pick up marks across the backline but does not contest, does not shepherd, he struggles to do the basics now. Give someone else a run
            Sorry to flog a dead horse but as ive said many a time on this board Doyle is crap.I can think of two basic marks that he dropped yesterday,and besides one or two games i cant recall him having a really good game.Offload Doyle and Mieklejohn Imo and try for another clubs 2nd or 3rd ruck,couldnt be any worse than what we have now.
            daniel f

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            • robbieando
              The King
              • Jan 2003
              • 2750

              #7
              Originally posted by daniel f
              try for another clubs 2nd or 3rd ruck
              I see it now. The only way we will win a premiership is if we fill our list the duds of every other club

              Daniel there was a few reasons why we were so **** in the early 90's and you have just suggested one of the biggest ones.
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              • NMWBloods
                Taking Refuge!!
                • Jan 2003
                • 15819

                #8
                Doyle really was pretty hopeless yesterday. He dropped a couple of marks he should have taken. Longmuir and Sandilands completely beat him around the ground. His ruckwork adds no value. We must have one of the worst ruck combinations in the competition.
                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

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                • daniel f
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 314

                  #9
                  Originally posted by robbieando
                  I see it now. The only way we will win a premiership is if we fill our list the duds of every other club

                  Daniel there was a few reasons why we were so **** in the early 90's and you have just suggested one of the biggest ones.
                  Get real you think every opinion you have is gospel,well it aint.Did i say go for every other teams duds?Dont think i did,im saying our ruck brigade is rubbish,im sure there great blokes and love the club etc.... but are you telling me we wouldnt want a 2nd or 3rd string ruckman who is talented but struggling to get game time because he has more senior and experienced players ahead of him,i know i would because the fact is Doyle is crap and Mieklejohn is not much better.
                  daniel f

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #10
                    Originally posted by sharpie
                    I cant remember too many times he was out-marked during the game.
                    That's because he was never actually close enough to an opponent to be outmarked!
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • robbieando
                      The King
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2750

                      #11
                      Originally posted by daniel f
                      Get real you think every opinion you have is gospel,well it aint.
                      Of course it isn't. If it was I would be God and the Swans would of won the last 17 premierships and never lose a game.

                      Did i say go for every other teams duds?Dont think i did,im saying our ruck brigade is rubbish,im sure there great blokes and love the club etc.... but are you telling me we wouldnt want a 2nd or 3rd string ruckman who is talented but struggling to get game time because he has more senior and experienced players ahead of him[/b]
                      Do you then care to name these so called "2nd or 3rd string ruckman" who aren't getting gametime and are better than Doyle???

                      Mieklejohn is not much better.
                      That I can agree with. He is as good as gone. Doyle on the other hand isn't.
                      Once was, now elsewhere

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                      • daniel f
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 314

                        #12
                        Originally posted by robbieando
                        Of course it isn't. If it was I would be God and the Swans would of won the last 17 premierships and never lose a game.



                        Do you then care to name these so called "2nd or 3rd string ruckman" who aren't getting gametime and are better than Doyle???



                        That I can agree with. He is as good as gone. Doyle on the other hand isn't.
                        A few come to mind,Young Laycock and Hille from essendon and also Loats from Geelong,ok besides Laycock none of these players stand out but would all be better than Doyle.
                        daniel f

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                        • robbieando
                          The King
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2750

                          #13
                          Originally posted by daniel f
                          A few come to mind,Young Laycock and Hille from essendon and also Loats from Geelong,ok besides Laycock none of these players stand out but would all be better than Doyle.
                          No they aren't. For starters David Hille is in such high regard at Essendon that they brought back Paul Salmon out of retirement, redrafted Steven Alessio who week earlier they had delisted and last season traded for the offen injuried Matthew Allan. Tell how can Hille be better than Doyle when Essendon think the above players are better options than Hille??

                          With Loats he is only seen as a back up at Geelong and was traded away by Hawthorn of all team. Plus he has never set the world on fire with his play. If Geelong had better back options for Steven King he wouldn't even get a game. Better than Doyle don't make me laugh.
                          Once was, now elsewhere

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                          • Diego
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 946

                            #14
                            I had hope with Doyle, but it seems when ever we are in front or have just kicked a goal and Doyle comes on we loose that momentum. He adds nothing really.

                            And when he dropped that easy mark..what else can be said?

                            Needs more game time? Needs more development? How much more time does he need...

                            I am fearing the end of the year when Bally announces he wont go on in 2005.

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                            • robbieando
                              The King
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 2750

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Diego
                              I am fearing the end of the year when Bally announces he wont go on in 2005.
                              We were all fearing 2003 when Dunkley and Kelly retired and we did better than expected

                              With Ball you never know, Doyle might just finally stand up and become the ruckman we all thought he would become. Yes his current form isn't good and I'm worried too with the thought of Ball retiring at seasons end, but lets not throw the Baby out with the Bath water just yet. Give Doyle next season to prove himself, then think about his future just not yet.
                              Once was, now elsewhere

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