Positives

[robbieando]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
we should have won but we didn't at least we can get better.

No we can't. Our gameplan doesn't allow for it, nor do the players have the heart or the passion to.

[monopoly19]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
It's not the end of the world, we should have played better, we should have won but we didn't at least we can get better.

It sure feels like the end of the world. Especially with the news of the trainer. Absolutely devastating.

I would disagree with the presumption that we will get better. The Swans never get better.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by Nico
For goodnes sake we have gone 19 rounds and we are still

Disagree, where was Bevan at seasons start?Had NOG had good game at seasons start?Where was McVeigh?

We can say we have gone backwards as a club or you can say we have gone forwards. same with Collingwood.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Disagree, where was Bevan at seasons start?Had NOG had good game at seasons start?Where was McVeigh?

We can say we have gone backwards as a club or you can say we have gone forwards. same with Collingwood.

We HAVE gone backwards. We have now lost 1 more game than we did last season and our ladder position is likely to be a fall of 3 or 4 spots.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Disagree, where was Bevan at seasons start?Had NOG had good game at seasons start?Where was McVeigh?

We can say we have gone backwards as a club or you can say we have gone forwards. same with Collingwood.

Clearly backwards. And when assessing positives you have to look at it from a team perspective, not individuals. Individuals may have improved but it hasn't reflected in the team results. It is a team game you know.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by robbieando
We HAVE gone backwards. We have now lost 1 more game than we did last season and our ladder position is likely to be a fall of 3 or 4 spots.

So, collingwood are in pretty much the same boat as us, injurys they have played youth. Gone down the ladder. Much room for improvment.

[Damien]

The swans weren't that great all night.

It seemed as if bad kicking was keeping the Roos out of it.

Good sides don't blow 40 point leads when fighting for a spot in the 8.

Paul Roos has shown he can get the boys up for the big games - but he is failing badly at getting them ready for these type.

[Jimmy C]

For mine, the greatest positive was the dejected look on poor Roos' face out on the ground after the siren. This may actually spur him on to give these blokes the foot up the freckle they so desperately need from a coaching standpoint. Other than that, there are no positives to be found in a team who couldn't defend a reasonable lead after 3 qtr time, or a bunch of blokes who seem to define the word capitulation.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
So, collingwood are in pretty much the same boat as us, injurys they have played youth. Gone down the ladder. Much room for improvment.

Just where is this improvement going to come from????

Its one thing to talk about it, its another for it to happen. Likelyhood it won't and we'll fall even further next season.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Damien
The swans weren't that great all night.

It seemed as if bad kicking was keeping the Roos out of it.

Good sides don't blow 40 point leads when fighting for a spot in the 8.

Paul Roos has shown he can get the boys up for the big games - but he is failing badly at getting them ready for these type.

That is a very salient point.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by monopoly19
Buchanan would have been a positive had he done something in the last quarter.

Doyle would have been a positive had he not lost us the game by giving away the simplest of free kicks in their forward 50.

Hall would have been a positive had he made his presence felt in the last quarter.

Nick Davis would have been a positive had he not kicked the ball OOBOTF instead of kicking a goal (harsh, yes, but I don't care.)

Schauble's goal would have been a positive, had he not let his man kick goals when it mattered most.

Ball would never have been a positive, and I hope he retires. It will leave us without a ruckman (see Doyle above) but it may win us some games. It was a free kick (no umpires to blame) and probably the worst disguised deliberate I have ever seen.

Jude Bolton doesn't deserve to have the people defending him that he's had on here. He is never there when it matters. Trade him for someone who will win us the ball, and keep their feet when in open space.

There are no positives.

Great post M19 - thought I would quite it all as it deserves to be repeated. Pretty much spot on on in those areas.

On the last point, how many times did J Bolton fall over or throw himself on the ground? How many times have I complained about him not keeping his feet!!

[robbieando]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
On the last point, how many times did J Bolton fall over or throw himself on the ground? How many times have I complained about him not keeping his feet!!

Shhhhhhh you don't want to go and give away Jude's gameplan do you????

[sharpie]

How are these for negatives....

we have won 10 games this year. lets take a look at them.

3 wins came against the top of the ladder team at the time (Kangaroos, St Kilda, Brisbane)

only 2 other wins against a team in the top 10 now(freo & geelong - who was absolute rubbish at the time)

5 wins against the bottom 6 teams (collingwood, bulldogs, hawks, adelaide, carlton) by 6, 26, 1, 13, 11 respectively. That is absolute rubbish.

we have no killer instinct when we have a lead. Even last week we put on the breaks after 3 quarter time instead of try to win big.

what is the point of winning the unwinnable when we cant even win games like tonights?

EDIT: for anyone who read this before I editted it, I am deeply sorry if I offended. It was written before I had a chance to read any of the other threads which contained information about the tradegy, and so I was unaware of what had happened.

[CureTheSane]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I thought we were very ordinary all game.

We built a 40 pt lead through crap play by the 'Roos and a few individual efforts.

Buchanan was good for 3 qtrs, as were Hall, Kirk and O'Loughlin.

Everyone was crap in the last qtr.

Excsapt if we had won.

Then the board woul dbe full of "whew" threads.

OH well....

[stellation]

Re: Positives

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
I know everyone here is feeling horrible, as am I. But there are positives, just have to find them.

Buchanen - Had a blinder, seemed like he had 80% of the scoring assists.

I too thought Amon was great tonight.

Doyle - Made some bad errors, but had a good game, trying hard.

Seemed to spend a lot of time on the ground which I think is a good thing. I agree that he did seem to be trying hard tonight.

Davis - at least he's back in the team.

I was actually quite happy with Nicky D's comeback. Kicked one out on the full and had one smothered but apart from that I can't think of any bad disposals out of his 11. Could do with his disposal in the midfield. Came on and straight away did the things that people are critical of him for not doing, Barry got a goal that could be put down to Nick.
disclosure: I am a big Nicky D fan.

Goodes - Didn't play well, but is looking alot less hampered by his leg than a couple of weeks ago.

Goodesy should be on the phone to Jana Pittman to tell her how to have a go with bung knees.

I'll add

McVeigh continues to look good. Had one or two instances of running into trouble, but I'd suggest that perhaps his teamates could take the responsibility for those. Our midfield desperatley needs his ability to hit targets.

Micky- I hope this is some form he has found. I thought one of the classiest things he did all night was delivering to Nicky D out wide in the last quarter instead of just blazing away himself.

I'll leave it there.