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[dendol]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Why does everyone want a midfielder?

Goodes,Davis,Kennelly are all best 22 players who could play midfield well.

Goodes has been playing as a KPP forward or backman for most of the year. Davis has been injured and couldnt run around for any more than a minute in the midfield in his current state of fitness (KFC). Kennelly has been a rebounding defender and is untried in the midfield.

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Buchanen,McVeigh(x2),Ablett,Schneider
are trying to get into this position.

None of these guys are "classy" or "elite". Schneider hasnt gotten anywhere near his stellar first year, and even that was played as a crumbing forward, not a midfielder. McVeigh has not proven anything so far, and his older brother has played only a handful of games away from defense.

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood

And what about our top draft picks from this year - Willoughby,Schmidt who are also midfielders.

Again, not proven. Its like saying we dont need to look for a ruckman because we have Andrew Erikson waiting in the wings.

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
And Bolton,Kirk and Fosdike who are already there.

Already there? Bolton and Fosdike are not nearly near where we all hoped.

Thank god you arent part of the Swans' coaching and recruitment staff. You over-value our midfielders way too much. The midfield is clearly the biggest weakness of our team.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
To start with I wouldn't have Goodes in the centre, which is where I would put a new midfielder.

Where then?

These players,developing or not will be in there, Goodes,Davis,Schneider,McVeigh and Kennelly can all be elite midfielders imo.Why do we need another?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
But they could be "star midfielders" themselves, given time.

Or a chance.

Which ones? The only ones who haven't time to prove themselves yet are Schneider, Buchanan, and McVeigh. Even with a new gun midfielder, they will still get the opportunity if they are good enough.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by dendol
Goodes has been playing as a KPP forward or backman for most of the year. Davis has been injured and couldnt run around for any more than a minute in the midfield in his current state of fitness (KFC). Kennelly has been a rebounding defender and is untried in the midfield.

So lets recruit a KP player who can play forward or back so Goodes doesn't have to play there.

If Davis can get fit he could play midfield well.

Kennelly hasn't been officially on the wing, but has played alot of footy at the ball and has got it enough, and has great disposal.

[/B][/QUOTE] None of these guys are "classy" or "elite". Schneider hasnt gotten anywhere near his stellar first year, and even that was played as a crumbing forward, not a midfielder. McVeigh has not proven anything so far, and his older brother has played only a handful of games out of defense. [/B][/QUOTE]

No, McVeigh hasn't proven anything, but is there many midfielders who have been "elite" or "classy" in their first year?

[/B][/QUOTE] Again, not proven. Its like saying we dont need to look for a ruckman because we have Andrew Erikson waiting in the wings. [/B][/QUOTE]

It isn't like that at all as we have plenty of midfielders ready who, given a chance could be the "star midfielder" everyone wants.

[/B][/QUOTE] Already there? Bolton and Fosdike are not nearly near where we all hoped. [/B][/QUOTE]

I didn't mean they were elite midfielders, but certainly Bolton is a good 2nd midfielder.

[/B][/QUOTE] Thank god you arent part of the Swans' coaching and recruitment staff. You over-value our midfielders way too much. The midfield is clearly the biggest weakness of our team. [/B][/QUOTE]

I know the midfield is a weakness, but we have plenty of midfielders already, a few as I have mentioned,are imo on their way to being "star midfielders".

[dendol]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Where then?

These players,developing or not will be in there, Goodes,Davis,Schneider,McVeigh and Kennelly can all be elite midfielders imo.Why do we need another?

We need another because we want quality over quantity. You can throw up as many names as you want, but none of them look like becoming the next Michael Voss. They may prove me wrong, but the point of going for an "elite" midfielder is that they have already established, over the course of a few years, that they have what it takes to play consistent, brilliant footy.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by dendol
We need another because we want quality over quantity. You can throw up as many names as you want, but none of them look like becoming the next Michael Voss. They may prove me wrong, but the point of going for an "elite" midfielder is that they have already established, over the course of a few years, that they have what it takes to play consistent, brilliant footy.

Yes we have a quantity, but they may yet be quality too. Give them time, give them chances.Did Brisbane go and recruit another midfielder with the class they already had in the team?Noooo

[dendol]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
So lets recruit a KP player who can play forward or back so Goodes doesn't have to play there.

If Davis can get fit he could play midfield well.

Kennelly hasn't been officially on the wing, but has played alot of footy at the ball and has got it enough, and has great disposal.

Yes, I agree with recruiting a KP player. I doubt we'd have a chance to recruit a KP player who can go forward or back, so Im saying CHB is our first priority (which you disagree with).

IF Davis can get fit. His value as a forward may mean that he doesnt get to spend as much time as we want him to in the midfield.

Kennelly has only played on the ball because our strategy this season has been to have 15 "midfielders" lock up the ball wherever it goes.

No, McVeigh hasn't proven anything, but is there many midfielders who have been "elite" or "classy" in their first year?

Judd did ok. Anyhow, that isnt the point. We want someone who is already proven so that our game plan next season wont be a defensive, stoppage oriented game.

I didn't mean they were elite midfielders, but certainly Bolton is a good 2nd midfielder.

Many of the top teams have their 2nd midfielder classed as "elite". I'd certainly want our midfield to have more than 1 elite player.

[gloveski]

To say we don't need a quality midfielder is rubish
Brisbane 6th best midfielder Hadley would walk straight into our midfield and improve it dramatically

[Damien]

Originally posted by gloveski
To say we don't need a quality midfielder is rubish
Brisbane 6th best midfielder Hadley would walk straight into our midfield and improve it dramatically

And Hadley is out of contract and may want to become a star in his own right....food for thought.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by dendol
Yes, I agree with recruiting a KP player. I doubt we'd have a chance to recruit a KP player who can go forward or back, so Im saying CHB is our first priority (which you disagree with).

I do think CHB should come before FF, however what do you see happining should Hall be injured/suspended?

[/B][/QUOTE] IF Davis can get fit. His value as a forward may mean that he doesnt get to spend as much time as we want him to in the midfield. [/B][/QUOTE]

Remember,Davis was fit last year.So we should look at playing Another tall up forward to ease the pain of losing Davo to the midfield.

[/B][/QUOTE] Kennelly has only played on the ball because our strategy this season has been to have 15 "midfielders" lock up the ball wherever it goes. [/B][/QUOTE]

True but I'm sure he can do just as well without that game plan, and seemed to play better last year when we played more free flowing.

[dendol]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Yes we have a quantity, but they may yet be quality too. Give them time, give them chances.Did Brisbane go and recruit another midfielder with the class they already had in the team?Noooo

No, Brisbane went and recruited players where they were deficient - their defense. In 2000, they recruited Mal Michael and Martin Pike, who have now proven to be elite players in their own right. I certainly havent forgotten how Pike destroyed us in the last quarter of the 2003 prelim.

With the addition of these two, they went on the win the flag.. and again... and again... and now are favourites... again.

With a proven star midfielder and a KPP defender, who knows if we cant mount a serious tilt at the flag next year with a more attacking game plan.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Yes, they did that, but did they have 15 or so players who could play that position prior to there recruitment?

[dendol]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
[B]I do think CHB should come before FF, however what do you see happining should Hall be injured/suspended?

We should make a serious bid at Troy Simmonds. It would bolster two key areas for us: a lack of quality KP forward depth (should Hall get injured); our ruck stocks after 2005.

[dendol]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Yes, they did that, but did they have 15 or so players who could play that position prior to there recruitment?

Again, quality over quantity. You can say we have 38 players capable of playing midfield, but how many are elite?

Anyhow, its the last I'll say on the issue. I'll go bang my head against a brick wall and see if I can get further than Im getting here.

[Bleed Red Blood]

I like the sound of Simmonds.

But we do have quality and quantity imo, in the midfield, they just need some time there.