Change of position proposal

[Ajn]

The success of Hall to CHF, leads me to think...

Ten proposed changes to team structure:

Kennelly to the wing
Williams to the wing
Schneider to rover
Crouch to back pocket (perminent small forward defender)
Maxfield to the bench (impact role)
Ball to bench (impact role)
Goodes to ruck rover/ 7th defender
Jolly to full forward
Micky O to pocket
Dempster to Half back

[Scottee]

So who's in the ruck and who does Schneider change with?

[Jeffers1984]

Change Jolly to Doyle as the perminent full forward.

[bricon]

Re: Change of position proposal

Originally posted by Ajn

Schneider to rover

Does Schneider have the stamina to run all day?

[LittleSchneider]

Re: Re: Change of position proposal

Originally posted by bricon
Does Schneider have the stamina to run all day?

Of course! My inital worry was - all that running will blunt his speed. Schneider's greatest attribute is that he can burn off his marker with his speed so placing him in a rover position might take that away from him and that skill might not be utilised as much as possible.

[liz]

There's no such thing as fixed team structure nowadays. It's all about match-ups and trying to create mismatches around the ground and players - especially the smaller "running" players being flexible to move to where they are needed most. It also depends on the ground and the opponents. You would structure a team differently on the SCG to, say, Subi.

BBBH probably doesn't play a classical CHF role, rather a hybrid FF / CHF role. It works well on the SCG. But then again, Tredrea probably plays it not too dissimilarly at FP. I know this partially contradicts my suggestion that structure is driven by ground, but when we played the Eagles at Subi it took Hall a while to realise that he needed to push further up the ground to make the play. He wasn't helped by the fact that it was Magic's first game back and he wasn't fit, O'Keefe was struggling a bit with his marker and Davis clearly wasn't fit enough to run, but it illustrated that an adjustment needed to be made to the region of the ground Hall treated as "his".

Crouch as a permanent BP? What happens when we're playing Brisbane and Mathews swings Aker onto the ball? Do we leave Crouch where he is minding Tim Notting or Anthony Corrie? There probably aren't enough genuinely top quality FPs nowadays to justify allocating Crouch to that role permanently in any case. His ability to break the lines in midfield is almost as important as his ability to control small forwards. And if the small forward isn't of top quality, he's probably better used in midfield.

Matera (who Nicks did a fine job on last year), Aker (part time), Milne, Davey (who I think Bevan minded last year), Farmer... I can't think of many more who play the role for the majority of the time.

Fixter is another wildcard in this discussion, because if he can get fit and in the team, he is very capable of playing on good forward pockets.

Schneider as first rover? He's probably not fit enough yet to play anything more than short bursts on the ball. He's not even a sure thing to be in the team. He is probably battling out with a dozen or so players to fill the last 6 spots in the side if everyone were fit.

Ball off the bench? Doyle played a handful of moderately promising games last year but nothing more. Jolly played about 4 games in total last year. Until the evidence from 2005 says otherwise, Ball is clearly the best ruckman in the team and I'm not sure why one wouldn't deem him the "no 1 ruckman".

Micky O probably already does play predominantly in the FP. He certainly doesn't play a classical FF role. His is probably a hybrid FP/FF role, and one that needs to be able to adapt to his level of fitness and to whether a ruck is resting in the goal square, or whether O'Keefe or Davis have been moved back closer to the square.

[stellation]

The only one I particuarly want to see this year is Jarrad McVeigh to the field of play. The other changes I don't really mind too much about.

[dendol]

Re: Re: Change of position proposal

Originally posted by bricon
Does Schneider have the stamina to run all day?

I doubt he does. I saw them at training today and although he looks alot leaner than I've seen him, he still has a while to go before he is a permanent member of the midfield. He has explosive pace off the mark so short bursts in middle (like in the past) would work.

[stellation]

Actually I have another one. I wouldn't mind seeing Nic Fosdike as a small forward for a few games. I appreciate his big strength as a midfielder is that he doesn't really need to have a rest (in a position like the forward pocket), but I wouldn't mind seeing a few games straight at FP for Nic.

[chammond]

Re: Change of position proposal

Originally posted by Ajn
The success of Hall to CHF, leads me to think...

Ten proposed changes to team structure:

Kennelly to the wing
Williams to the wing
Schneider to rover
Crouch to back pocket (perminent small forward defender)
Maxfield to the bench (impact role)
Ball to bench (impact role)
Goodes to ruck rover/ 7th defender
Jolly to full forward
Micky O to pocket
Dempster to Half back

Mm . . . Schneider and Dempster will only get a game if someone gets injured, so I can't see them as part of any re-structuring . . . they'll have to take what they can get.

Kennelly to the wing would be very interesting. But if you're going to make one of our ruckmen into a permanent forward, then Ball is by far the pick of the bunch, with a proven record in that role.

Williams, Crouch and Goodes already play in the positions you mention on occasions . . . but I can't see anything to be gained by locking them in to just those positions and no others.

[Rod_]

I don't necessarily disagree with positional changes - however team balance is more important. Most the "changes " that have been suggested are in effect anyway. We play and rest players all over the field in many positions. Who ends up where and for how long is a question.

Tall back line and we match up or try to mis-match for advantage.

Any change for an advantage is good - however if any player is out of form, move him, drop him from the team or when not making an impact, then try something else!

Saddo went forward and looked better (Prior to injury) based on his games in the backline in 2004. Was that a good move or not? Not really in my mind - He needed form and got injured in the process.....?

Rod_

[Sanecow]

Schneider ... will only get a game if someone gets injured

It all depends on his preseason form, surely - does anyone know how he's going? He played every game 2003 and is allegedly "breaking personal best times." ( http://sydneyswans.com.au/default.as...ticleid=181755 ) so I'm kind of hoping he'll return to (or beat) his early form.

[smasher]

Re: Re: Change of position proposal

Originally posted by bricon
Does Schneider have the stamina to run all day?

I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT SCHNEIDER IS MORE OF A BURST PLAYER AND DOESN'T HAVE THE STAMINA TO KEEP UP THE PACE FOR A SUSTAINED AMOUNT OF TIME.I THINK ROOSY MAY CONTINUE TO USE HIM OFF THE BENCH UNTIL HE CAN PROVE A HIGHER STAMINA LEVEL.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Re: Re: Change of position proposal

Originally posted by bricon
Does Schneider have the stamina to run all day?

He played on the ball against Essendon last year and kick 4 goals from memory.

I'd prefer him as a centreman rather than a rover...

Thoughts?

JF

[chammond]

Originally posted by Sanecow
It all depends on his preseason form, surely - does anyone know how he's going? He played every game 2003 and is allegedly "breaking personal best times." ( http://sydneyswans.com.au/default.as...ticleid=181755 ) so I'm kind of hoping he'll return to (or beat) his early form.

Even if he's playing well, I think he'll have a tough job breaking into the first 22 . . . simply because he'll have to displace someone like O'Keefe or Davis or Nicks in the forward line, or Spriggs or Crouch or Mathews if he plays on the ball.

And even when the injuries come, he'll still be competing with Fixter, Fosdike, Buchanan, McVeigh and Ablett to fill the gaps.

If he returns to his 2003 form, he'll have a good chance, but he wouldn't want to waste any opportunities.