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  • BAM_BAM
    Support Staff
    • Jun 2003
    • 1820

    #16
    Originally posted by liz
    Obviously some would spend more time on the ball than others, but players like Davis,O'Keefe, Monty, Schneider, Kennelly, B2 will need to be able to take their turn if they are to be assured of their place in the team.
    IMO you can't put all of these players in the same frame. Bar the 'I' word (and I'm touching wood as type this) O'Keefe, B2 and Kennelly would be ceratin starts. Monty and Schneids are fighting for the same role and a fit Nick Davis should never be left out of a team. Perhaps as this thread was intended, not a midfield role, but as a forward he should always be there.
    Here's my heart and you can break it
    I need some release, release, release
    We need
    Love and peace

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    • footyhead
      Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
      • May 2003
      • 1367

      #17
      Originally posted by liz
      The Swans game plan relies on a lot of very hard running, up the ground, down the ground and back up again. That requires the midfield to have good stamina across the board and also to have lots of options to rotate through.

      Based on this, and a few comments Roos has made to the press, I suspect his dream team would comprise of maybe 4 players who play exclusively in attack or defence - say Bazza and Magic, Schaubs and Leapin', plus another 18 guys (including the bench) who are capable of taking their turn on the ball but who can also fill a role elsewhere on the ground. Obviously some would spend more time on the ball than others, but players like Davis,O'Keefe, Monty, Schneider, Kennelly, B2 will need to be able to take their turn if they are to be assured of their place in the team.
      I agree with all this, but I still think we need a permanent general in the midfield who will be responsible for the buck stopping right there.
      somone who can marshelle the troops with some brilliance, take the glory when we win and accept responability when we loose. In short a leader with true star status. At the moment no one has quite done that for us yet.
      O'keefe looks like the right build, how is he on the speed and endurance levels ?

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      • stellation
        scott names the planets
        • Sep 2003
        • 9721

        #18
        Nick Davis, Tadhg Kennelly or Jarrad McVeigh.
        I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
        We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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        • Schneiderman
          The Fourth Captain
          • Aug 2004
          • 1615

          #19
          And yet who has been our besst performing midfielder for the last two years? Best stats and highest finish in the Brownlow last year?

          I believe that years of consistent work is far more valuable to the team than wishing to find another Judd. Kelly was not a Judd, and his value came from persistence. A very valuable lesson for the youngsters in the team.
          Our Greatest Moment:

          Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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          • LittleSchneider
            On the Rookie List
            • Nov 2004
            • 582

            #20
            that is a very potent point Schneiderman! I couldnt agree with you more.
            you dont have to have natural talent (although it helps) and you dont have to be the most skillful of players - but as long as you are prepared to work hard and play consistent, determined and hard football you are more valuable to the team.
            those with talent and skill that dont display these traits i.e NICK DAVIS are sometimes a hinderance to the team.
            And the man who started it, the Schneiderman, can kick his third for the quarter. And the swans are in the Grand Final!

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            • ROK Lobster
              RWO Life Member
              • Aug 2004
              • 8658

              #21
              I'm glad you said Nick Davis. For a minute there I thought you were going to dis Luffy...

              FWIW I hope that Davis does not go into the midfield. I would rather see him kicking 2 or 3 or more from somewhere in the fwd line. Jarrod Moore will be our next superstar in the mid field.

              (I'm sure Kirk is thrilled to read that he has no natural talent too)
              Last edited by ROK Lobster; 26 January 2005, 05:03 PM.

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              • BAM_BAM
                Support Staff
                • Jun 2003
                • 1820

                #22
                Originally posted by LittleSchneider
                those with talent and skill that dont display these traits i.e NICK DAVIS are sometimes a hinderance to the team.
                so are injuries
                Here's my heart and you can break it
                I need some release, release, release
                We need
                Love and peace

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                • Ruda Wakening
                  Survived The Meltdown
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 1519

                  #23
                  Originally posted by LittleSchneider
                  you dont have to have natural talent (although it helps) and you dont have to be the most skillful of players - but as long as you are prepared to work hard and play consistent, determined and hard football you are more valuable to the team.
                  Fill a team up with that type and see how you go.
                  Sit down or i swear to God i'll have you shot.

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                  • sfan
                    Warming the Bench
                    • May 2003
                    • 487

                    #24
                    If you are looking for a dominant mid fielder in the mould of a voss/black/buckley I really do not see one at the moment. A dominant player who is a real general for the side we are still missing. In fact the last one was probably Greg Williams IMHO. The players mentioned while OK are not in that league sorry to say. It will need to be a real team effort with all the guys playing at their best if we are to have any real impact.
                    Last edited by sfan; 27 January 2005, 04:46 PM.

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                    • stellation
                      scott names the planets
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 9721

                      #25
                      I am confident that Nick could kick 2 goals per game from the midfield and help produce a hell of a lot more by giving quality delivery to whoever is in the forward line. Whilst typing that I had "say deep penetration" going over and over in my mind, so there I did. And clearly I have a problem.
                      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                      • Rod_
                        Senior Player
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 1179

                        #26
                        No one has mentioned Ben Fixter - IMO Worth a run in the middle (If he can stay fit!)

                        Rod_

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                        • footyhead
                          Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
                          • May 2003
                          • 1367

                          #27
                          Originally posted by sfan
                          If you are looking for a dominant mid fielder in the mold of a voss/black/buckley I really do not see one at the moment. A dominant player who is a real general for the side we are still missing. In fact the last one was probably Greg Williams IMHO. The players mentioned while OK are not in that league sorry to say. It will need to be a real team effort with all the guys playing at their best if we are to have any real impact.

                          The problem is that the sides who win premeirships these days tend to need at least one general, and the entire team playing very well together.
                          I fear that if we only play well as a team, then we will not have that little extra that gets you premeirship glory. Which is everything to me.
                          Therefore I repeat: we need a midfield superstar to emerge this year.

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                          • Rushed Behind
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 96

                            #28
                            Originally posted by stellation
                            I am confident that Nick could kick 2 goals per game from the midfield and help produce a hell of a lot more by giving quality delivery to whoever is in the forward line. Whilst typing that I had "say deep penetration" going over and over in my mind, so there I did. And clearly I have a problem.
                            spot on stalletion, on all points.

                            why is this place so much exsited with hard work. talent > hardwork for ever. Who wants to wacth a teem of plodders?

                            (hope you can read this ok chammond. I have a few reading and w riting issues but I make a effert)

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                            • robbieando
                              The King
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 2750

                              #29
                              Originally posted by footyhead
                              Therefore I repeat: we need a midfield superstar to emerge this year.
                              Port didn't have a midfield superstar last year. Having Buckley in the side didn't help Collingwood in two losing Grand Final's.

                              Yes a midfield general is more than helpful, but having one doesn't mean premiership success. Having Kelly didn't help us now did it????
                              Once was, now elsewhere

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                              • Barry Schneider
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 530

                                #30
                                Originally posted by robbieando
                                Port didn't have a midfield superstar last year. Having Buckley in the side didn't help Collingwood in two losing Grand Final's.

                                Yes a midfield general is more than helpful, but having one doesn't mean premiership success. Having Kelly didn't help us now did it????
                                How did your name show up on my post?

                                I think we have to look at Port for inspiration rather than hoping for a midfield superstar to emerge.Not that I have anything against superstar midfielders.

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