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  • ScottH
    It's Goodes to cheer!!
    • Sep 2003
    • 23665

    #31
    Originally posted by swansrule100
    for the team it probably doesnt
    but for individual players competiting for spots its helps IMHO....... say for example they want to pick either jolly or doyle.... a stellar wizard cup could change the selection
    Thanks for answering, you took the words right outta my keyboard!!

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    • Scottee
      Senior Player
      • Aug 2003
      • 1585

      #32
      There really does appear to be a dilemma for the team selection for this game.

      It seems from what I can gather that the available players (leaving out a few of the younger rookies) are:
      Bevan
      CBolton
      J Bolton
      Buchanan
      Dempster
      Doyle
      Fosdike
      James
      Jolly
      Kennelly
      Kirk
      McVeigh
      Moore
      Nicks
      O'Keefe
      Powell
      LRT
      Schmidt
      Schneider
      Spriggs
      Willoughby
      Campbell
      Clarke
      Grundy
      Potter
      Vogels
      Shaw

      Thats 27 with only 24 spots available.

      Roos has already committed to playing Campbell, Vogels, Grundy, Willoughby, Schmidt.

      To me you wouldn't consider not playing Jolly or Doyle because they are both screaming for match time at the senior level.

      Who do you leave out? It sounds a simple question, but who?

      Shaw looks a likely candidate, but what about the other 2? I thought perhaps Potter but he could be useful on the HBF in a team that may be short of them. He is also a second year player and you would hope he would get a go at this stage.

      Are the more senior players the option for deletion? Or does that mean that we are giving no priority at all to putting up a decent showing?

      Would hate to see Clarke or Moore miss out, dying to see what they look like, as with a couple of the other newbies.

      Anyone got any creative thoughts on who to leave out or any information on players that definitely will or won't play?
      We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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      • Matt79
        Bring it on!
        • Sep 2004
        • 3143

        #33
        For what it is worth, not looking at too many posts apart from the first one I have listed below my best Swannies 22. Obviously there is some flexibility in exact positioning but here goes...


        F Ball O'Loughlin Schneider

        HF Davis Hall O'Keefe

        C Maxfield Kirk Williams

        HB C. Bolton Goodes Kennelly

        B Barry Schauble Matthews

        R Jolly J. Bolton Crouch

        INT Spriggs Bevan Saddington Nicks

        EM McVeigh Fosdike Doyle LRT Buchanan

        I know there are 5 on my emergency list but I can't decide who to leave out!!

        Matt
        Swannies for life!

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        • Bleed Red Blood
          Senior Player
          • Sep 2003
          • 2057

          #34
          Originally posted by Nico
          Schneider on a HBF. Boy that is lateral thinking. But just what the side needs, additional height across HB. Perhaps he can pick up Chris Grant in the Wiz Cup. Now that will produce some spectacular marking contests.
          You'll note that I had Campbell, James, LRT and Dempster as talls in the back line.

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          • DST
            The voice of reason!
            • Jan 2003
            • 2705

            #35
            Here is my go at our strongest line-up as it stands at the moment.

            Please note, that if we are to challenge by years end for a flag we will need one player (two for the midfield) in each of the following groups to be considered to be in our strongest starting line-up come finals time.


            Tall Defender - LRT, James or Campbell

            Utility - Dempster, Powell or Malceski

            Midfielder - Bevan, McVeigh, Schmidt, Willoughby, Moore, Sunny, Buchanen or Fosdike

            B: J Crouch A Schuable C Bolton
            HB: B Matthews A Goodes L Barry
            C: T Kennelly J Bolton P Williams
            HF: R O'Keefe B Hall N Davis
            FF: A Scheinder M O'Loughlin S Doyle

            R: D Jolly B Kirk D Spriggs

            IC: J Ball M Nicks J Saddington S Maxfield

            I'm not keen to write any one off from my starting 22, but if LRT was holding down the 2nd or 3rd tall forward, Bevan & McVeigh are playing a solid 15 minutes a quarter on the ball and Powell was providing cover at both ends well come finals time I rekon we could have a team that could push the likes of Port, Lions and Saints.

            DST
            "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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            • Nico
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 11339

              #36
              Originally posted by DST
              Here is my go at our strongest line-up as it stands at the moment.

              Please note, that if we are to challenge by years end for a flag we will need one player (two for the midfield) in each of the following groups to be considered to be in our strongest starting line-up come finals time.


              Tall Defender - LRT, James or Campbell

              Utility - Dempster, Powell or Malceski

              Midfielder - Bevan, McVeigh, Schmidt, Willoughby, Moore, Sunny, Buchanen or Fosdike

              B: J Crouch A Schuable C Bolton
              HB: B Matthews A Goodes L Barry
              C: T Kennelly J Bolton P Williams
              HF: R O'Keefe B Hall N Davis
              FF: A Scheinder M O'Loughlin S Doyle

              R: D Jolly B Kirk D Spriggs

              IC: J Ball M Nicks J Saddington S Maxfield

              I'm not keen to write any one off from my starting 22, but if LRT was holding down the 2nd or 3rd tall forward, Bevan & McVeigh are playing a solid 15 minutes a quarter on the ball and Powell was providing cover at both ends well come finals time I rekon we could have a team that could push the likes of Port, Lions and Saints.

              DST
              Apart from Jolly and Spriggs, that looks suspiciously like the team that went missing against the Saints. McVeigh and Bevan, looking to the future, have to be in our best 22.
              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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              • DST
                The voice of reason!
                • Jan 2003
                • 2705

                #37
                Originally posted by Nico
                Apart from Jolly and Spriggs, that looks suspiciously like the team that went missing against the Saints. McVeigh and Bevan, looking to the future, have to be in our best 22.
                That's what I said Nico, we go nowhere this year other than treading water if we can't by finals time consider Bevan, McVeigh, Ablett, LRT and Powell to be in our strongest starting 22. Probably go as far as to say even Dempster needs to be included in that list.

                If you add Jolly, Spriggs & Saddington to the above that is around 7 player change over from the team fielded against the Saints last year.

                It also looks to fill the critical places we were missing in the final last year:

                * Midfield puch to go for a full game with a team that has such a large rotation on the ball

                * An extra tall defender, utility and ruckman to take on teams with 3 talented tall forwards.

                While it was not pretty watching the last 1 and 1/3 qrt's of last years semi final, we would have been much more competitive with a couple of extra midfield rotations and an extra tall defender.

                DST
                "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                • chammond
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 1368

                  #38
                  Originally posted by NMWBloods
                  Whether supporters like him or not, the match committee thinks highly of Mathews and he will be in the side, if fit, all season.

                  At CHB Goodes will have to be in the mould of a quarterback/rebounding style of player - a la Roos or Cornes. His defensive abilities are not great, so will need to work on that part.

                  There's no way Kirk will start on the bench.

                  Spriggs is likely to comfortably make the team early on given we chased him and need help in the midfield.

                  Bevan should get in the team ahead of Fosdike at this stage.

                  I suspect Williams and Maxfield will spend a lot of time on the bench, acting as impact players.

                  The weakest parts of our team are our height in the backline and our midfield.

                  I think Saddington to half back and Kennelly to the wing helps with both of these aspects.

                  This then leaves a lot of players to contest for the midfield spots - competition is healthy.
                  Oh no!

                  This is my first look at this thread.

                  I agree with everything you said . . . it all makes complete sense . . . .

                  I'm booking in for a check-up tomorrow

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #39
                    Well, every now and again you do have a clever thought Cliff...
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • penga
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2601

                      #40
                      my best 22:

                      b: crouch schauble bolton
                      hb: barry LRT mathews
                      c: goodes kirk kennelly
                      hf: davis hall okeefe
                      f: schneider saddington oloughlin
                      r: ball williams buchanan
                      int: doyle nicks mcveigh bolton
                      emg: jolly bevan maxfield

                      realistic best 22:

                      b: crouch schauble bolton
                      hb: kennelly goodes barry
                      c: maxfield kirk mathews
                      hf: davis hall okeefe
                      f: buchanan doyle oloughlin
                      r: ball williams bolton
                      int: nicks schneider saddington bevan
                      emg: jolly spriggs fosdike

                      young 22 (u/24):

                      b: fixter powell dempster
                      hb: bevan LRT ablett
                      c: mcveigh schneider kennelly
                      hf: macleski grundy okeefe
                      f: willoughby m. davis doyle
                      r: jolly moore buchanan
                      int: schmidt spriggs sundqvist shaw
                      C'mon Chels!

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                      • Charlie
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 4101

                        #41
                        Originally posted by chammond
                        Oh no!

                        This is my first look at this thread.

                        I agree with everything you said . . . it all makes complete sense . . . .

                        I'm booking in for a check-up tomorrow
                        Admins, please suspend Chammond's account.

                        It has quite clearly been hacked.

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                        • chammond
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 1368

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Charlie
                          Admins, please suspend Chammond's account.

                          It has quite clearly been hacked.

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                          • chammond
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 1368

                            #43
                            emg: jolly spriggs fosdike
                            Barring injury, if Jolly and Spriggs aren't regularly in our best 22 the Swans recruiting staff will be looking for new jobs very soon . . .

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                            • Mike_B
                              Peyow Peyow
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 6267

                              #44
                              Originally posted by chammond
                              Barring injury, if Jolly and Spriggs aren't regularly in our best 22 the Swans recruiting staff will be looking for new jobs very soon . . .
                              I agree re: Jolly as they traded a 1st round pick for him. Spriggs on the other hand was a 3rd round draft pick - they chose to pick a player they knew a little more about than a 17 y/o nominating for the draft for the first time with a view to bolstering midfield depth.

                              I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

                              If you cannot compete for the premiership, it's better to be young and exciting than middle-aged and dowdy.

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                              • blood_angel
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 18

                                #45
                                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                                Whether supporters like him or not, the match committee thinks highly of Mathews and he will be in the side, if fit, all season.
                                Originally posted by Jeffers1984
                                I don't understand the talk about Matthews being a fringe player. He is Mr Consistency. Sure he lacks silky clean disposals and he does float his kicks alot, but he is our sweeper in the backline and nobody does it better in our team than him. He is the one that sparks the run from the backline giving away that first handball nearly everytime. He is important to our gameplan.

                                If he is out of the side at all this year, we will definately see the negative effects it will have on our team.
                                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                Yup
                                can someone explain why matthews is so highly thought of?
                                mr consistency, commited workman/linkman who racks up possessions but doesn't use them with much enterprise.lacking skills. I doubt oppositions give him or fosdike(coasting way too long) much thought. do you go to them at the crunch when the pressure is on?

                                kirk, bolten, crouch, Kennelly(move to the wing hopefully) on the other hand can step up and spark the team

                                'Williams and Maxfield(last year for sure) will spend a lot of time on the bench, acting as impact players' Agreed NMWBloods

                                we need playmakers, attacking players with vision who can set the team on fire.our classy foward line deserves much better service. lets see what willoughby moore schmit etc can do if given extended opportunities in the middle

                                down with the Meh players

                                fascinated to see who grabs the CHB and 3rd tall spots
                                LRT ,Vogels,Campbell,Powell, Dempster

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