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  • Benevolent Ert
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    • Jan 2003
    • 490

    Most opposition supporters have no idea about our list

    but this guy has done his homework....

    This assessment was done by a poster known as Dyer'ere over at the PuntRoadEnd forum, and for a Richmond supporter, it's surprisingly insightful

    Shauble is 28, a b&f winner in the position, and seldom beaten. Injury problems may be under control. If Goodes can settle at chb (his natural position, IMO) they have a fine pair of key backs. Barry makes a nice trio. In the backup/development category I have a feeling LRT will make a key backman. His debut year was very promising. Not many 19yo talls show out but this kid did. His 2004 season was ruined by injury. He's tall, agile and often plays smart. Not usually a good mark. If LRT could hold a key back position, Goodes may be freed to play wing or forward. Probably take a bit longer. Mathews, Kennelly and Bevan (may get some 2nd year blues) along with Crouch, maybe Maxfield and perhaps Fixter give em plenty of options down back. On Mathews, he started to put his head over the ball again in 2004 after having 2003 off hard work. Improving his weaknesses and a good rebounder. May go to the midfield.

    Craig Bolton is playing his preseason games in the midfield. I have seen him play his best football in negating midfield roles. As Kirk continues to take a more attacking role C.Bolton will tag the larger big name opposition ruckrovers and will do it well. He can hard tag, that is play a shutdown role or run-with, by which I mean, run off his opponent to create an overlap or goal shot when necessary. He continues to build his game and is quick too. Some will recall that we let him go through the PSD a couple of years ago. I regret this.

    If Schneider can make a transition into a change or regular rover, and Williams and Maxfield hold their fitness/form, the Sydney on-ball division will be replete with options. However this is the department they most need to develop. McVeigh and Moore may get a go.

    IMO Brett Kirk is one of the most valuable players in the AFL. From memory, only Cameron Ling beat him last year. In one game I watched him shut down Chris Judd as a side interest. Wasn't even his opponent. Use of the ball is reliable and sometimes uncanny in heavy traffic. Nothing pretty about his game.

    Jude Bolton finishes his heavy work stylishly and wins plenty of hard leather. Kicks a goal. Williams and Maxfield in decline is a worry.

    The Sydney forward line is the equal of any not just in its make up but in its balance.

    Big bad Bazza is the key. Even though Hall doesn't kick as many goals as other full forwards he doesn't make as many U turns either. He brings team-mates into the game with his remarkable evasive skills and clever handball. He wasn't far off All Aust last year. He plays the position like a very deep chf, running hard and sometimes wide to meet the ball and breaking lines and tackles to create space before bringing the ball inboard to create a quality opportunity for a team-mate. In this way Hall's weakness (butter fingrs when marking) becomes his strength- quick recovery and dish often results in a shot from a better angle. (Richo could learn a lot from him.)

    Michael O'Loughlin is not tall enough to play kp (Gaspar's flogged him their last 10? meetings) but he is unstoppable when he is able to use his pace and freakish talents to open up the forward line. The trick is to play another tall up forward to free up MO'L.

    Ball and Jolly will provide the tall support for Bazza and MO'L. Probably the weakest link in the Sydney forward make-up in this role but they may only be part timers. There was oftne no genuine marking tall in the Sydney attacking zone in 04.

    Nick Davis is a very flawed player. Half fit again in 04. But he provides the Sydney forward line with a big advantage. Because he is a good mark on the run and has a freakish accuracy from difficult angles he spreads the defence. You see, if ND leads to a dead pocket or deep to a flank and gets the mark, he'll kick the goal- either side and from 50m. You have to defend space that might normally be considered dead. He widens and deepens the area that has to be defended. This in turn opens space in the corridor.

    Ryan O'Keefe is not a kpp. He is a big smart flanker. Nice mark. He gets up the park leaving space behind him for the other forwards and then pushes into the zone hard, timely, smart and usually central when the Swans win posession. Remember, there's often space there as the other Swans will provide a combination of genuine and decoy leads WIDE. He doesn't miss many ecause he's a good kick and he usually works central. As a type, he's not unlike A.Embley, not as quick but a better mark and smarter. He's addressed his previous lack of intensity. Buchanan may play this role at times in 05. Not as tall but can catch and kick.

    Adam Schneider and probably Paul Williams will share the running hff duties in 05. Each has pace to burn and is is the final ingredient of the Sydney forward structure. Enough to get out of the area and push back when the time is right. Pace is used to break open the 50-60m area affording either a cool long shot on goal or a chip to one of the many leading players.

    Goodes may play forward. Another big running player, like O'L and B.Hall. Dempster is being tried forward in the preseason. Moore, Willoughby and McVeigh may also be deployed to alter the structure.

    BTW Sydney's wet weather form is bloody awful. Probably because of their reliance on clean handling and accurate use in the congestion (often their first use is backwards a wet weather sin). I mean they are filth in the wet. Really have to address this since it rains all the time in Sydney. Grin

    One more comparison. Sydney is one of three or four AFL sides to play two heavy-duty inside ruckrovers. Jude Bolton and Brett Kirk. Unlike their Richmond counterparts Kane Johnsona and Mark Coughlan the sin-city pair runs very hard both ways during a game. Our chaps haven't run hard enough under Mr Frawley. I think that's about to change.
  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16770

    #2
    That has certainly been written by someone who watches the Swans regularly.

    One thing that amazes me is how many opposition supporters think that wet weather suits our game. At least Dyer'ere isn't fooled - and he knows why it doesn't suit us too.

    The only part that is a bit flawed is his comment on Hall. It is a year out of date. Specifically:

    "He wasn't far off All Aust last year. "

    " In this way Hall's weakness (butter fingrs when marking) becomes his strength- quick recovery and dish often results in a shot from a better angle. (Richo could learn a lot from him.)"

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    • sharp9
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2003
      • 2508

      #3
      OK I'm impressed..this kid should be trying to get into journalism or commentary. the key to agreat commentatoe (as I see it) is that you have to call the game as if you love EVERY team and EVERY player.
      "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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      • Matt79
        Bring it on!
        • Sep 2004
        • 3143

        #4
        Originally posted by sharp9
        OK I'm impressed..this kid should be trying to get into journalism or commentary. the key to agreat commentatoe (as I see it) is that you have to call the game as if you love EVERY team and EVERY player.
        Perhaps the article was written by a homesick Darren Gasper!
        Swannies for life!

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        • desredandwhite
          Click!
          • Jan 2003
          • 2498

          #5
          Amazing summary there.

          I don't think I analyse OUR team that closely, let alone the opposition

          Ert, do you have a direct link back to that material?

          177th Senior AFL Match - Round 4, 2009 - Sydney vs Carlton, SCG. This is obviously out of date. I suppose I'll update it once I could be bothered sitting down with the fixture and working it out....
          Des' Weblog

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          • Nico
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 11339

            #6
            Tactically, there is a lot of good stuff there and he seems to have a good handle on most of players which is most unusual for an opposition supporter. Obviously a passionate footy follower.

            But on a couple of his points.

            1. Why do so many people have Goodes tagged as a CHB? On this site many people gave him an absolute pizzling for his game on Riewolt in the 2004 semi. And I agree with most, to date he has been too loose in the backline when given a one on one job.
            Hasn't shown me much to suggest he is a natural CHB. All opposition coaches say that he is as good as impossible to stop around the ground so why bother with CHB. It's a furfy.

            2. Jude Bolton a stylish finisher!!!!! It is his glaring weakness. No argument with his endevour, but his kicking, agh. NMW do you have the stats on how many goals he has kicked in how many games, because I am sure it's not many.
            http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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            • robbieando
              The King
              • Jan 2003
              • 2750

              #7
              Originally posted by Nico
              1. Why do so many people have Goodes tagged as a CHB? On this site many people gave him an absolute pizzling for his game on Riewolt in the 2004 semi. And I agree with most, to date he has been too loose in the backline when given a one on one job.
              Hasn't shown me much to suggest he is a natural CHB. All opposition coaches say that he is as good as impossible to stop around the ground so why bother with CHB. It's a furfy.
              Agreed. I can't understand the reasoning to keep trying to fit Goodes into a key position player. Sure last season once he had the knee injuries Roos had no other option, but its clear he stuggles to have the same impact on matches when in a key position. He won a Norwich Rising Star Award and the Brownlow Medal as a ruckman. If Roos wants to keep playing him down back, why not use him off a half back flank and thus allowing him the freedom to run off his man more than he can at CHB.

              2. Jude Bolton a stylish finisher!!!!! It is his glaring weakness. No argument with his endevour, but his kicking, agh. NMW do you have the stats on how many goals he has kicked in how many games, because I am sure it's not many.
              Last season 12 from 24 and career 66 from 115.
              Once was, now elsewhere

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              • NMWBloods
                Taking Refuge!!
                • Jan 2003
                • 15819

                #8
                J Bolton's kicking at goal is normally pretty good from a set shot and fairly average otherwise. He doesn't put himself into position often enough to kick goals and doesn't back himself on long shots (so we don't get many running goals from the midfield from him).

                I gave my thoughts on Goodes at CHB just recently.

                His Hall comments (that Liz referred to) were spot on for 2003 not 2004.

                Very good observation on M O'L.

                Overall excellent report. Particularly like that he recognised that wet weather issue.
                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                • liz
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                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 16770

                  #9
                  Originally posted by NMWBloods

                  Very good observation on M O'L.

                  His comments on Davis (specifically the tactical advantage that he delivers) impressed me - very perceptive.

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #10
                    Yep - I thought they were very astute too. Showed he was able to analyse beyond just the straightforward part of the game and use lateral thinking.
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • liz
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                      Site Admin
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16770

                      #11
                      Punt Road End, is one of the oldest Richmond forums. Join The Voice of the Tiger Army and discuss all things Richmond FC.


                      This is a link to the thread from where Ert lifted that piece. It is actually started with a different poster's analysis of our list, breaking it down positionally and by age.

                      I think the PRE posters are more positive about our prospects this year than most of us on here!

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                      • Jeffers1984
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                        • Jan 2003
                        • 4564

                        #12
                        Wow good read indeed. Got a few wrong with Hally and Dempster, saying that he spent most of the pre-season forward which was of course incorrect. But a great effort!
                        Official Driver Of The "Who Gives A @@@@ As The Player Will Get Delisted Anyway" Bandwagon.

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                        • stellation
                          scott names the planets
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 9720

                          #13
                          One little nitpick, Andrew Schauble didn't win the B&F playing his current position... but in all fairness it probably was close enough to his current position for opposition fans.

                          Apart from that and the others mentioned good stuff!
                          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                          • Ert
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 490

                            #14
                            yeah, liz already gave the link - I found it on puntroadend.com

                            I like to keep an eye on what the unconverted masses are up to

                            Punt Road End, is one of the oldest Richmond forums. Join The Voice of the Tiger Army and discuss all things Richmond FC.

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                            • JF_Bay22_SCG
                              expat Sydneysider
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 3978

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nico

                              But on a couple of his points.

                              1. Why do so many people have Goodes tagged as a CHB? On this site many people gave him an absolute pizzling for his game on Riewolt in the 2004 semi. And I agree with most, to date he has been too loose in the backline when given a one on one job.
                              Hasn't shown me much to suggest he is a natural CHB. All opposition coaches say that he is as good as impossible to stop around the ground so why bother with CHB. It's a furfy.

                              I agree. People keep pencilling Goodes in to play the kind of rebounding CHB role that Roos himself used to play. I have grave doubt as to whether Goodes is A) suitable to this position B) likes it and C) plays his modt accountable football there. He is a confidence player. When he gets touches of the football and can follow the flow of the play he WILL get lots of it. He is best as a fre-spirited player whose job is just to go out and get the ball, full stop. as shown by his effort of Tredrea in adelaide last year, he has little concept of the defensive side of playing CHF. He was not only murdered when forwards are making good leads, but on a day when he is getting thrashed there, he starts to fret. Hence you get efforts like against St Kilda in that final.

                              Why am I seemingly the only one who demands that Goodes play on the ball. Playing him up forward doesn't work. I have seen him fluff around up forward (as FF in Brisbane in 2002). He doesn't get the ball enough up there and tends to get lazy. Our forward line is the part of the team that needs fixing the least. Goodes up there tends to crowd their space. And often kills off their channels in which to make constructive leads. Michael O Laughlin at FF for me for sure. With Barry at CHF and o'Keefe and Schneider on the HBFs. That works best for me.

                              Good comments from the PuntRoadEnd guy. Surely that guy is way too intelligent to follow the Tigers. But a great observation that our team's first movement out of defense is often backward, which leads to all sort of problems in the wet. As shown against particularly Essendon in the wet in Melbourne, we appear to have little plan b.

                              Dont know about Craig Bolton as a defensive midfield. But an interesting concept all the same. For Bolton to play up the ground we would have to have Heath James playing regularly and well deep in defense. I have serious doubts as to whether he is capable of this,both fitness and form-wise.

                              JF
                              "Never ever ever state that Sydney is gone.They are like cockroaches in the aftermath of a nuclear war"
                              (Forum poster 'Change', Big Footy 04Apr09)

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