Groundhog Day

[shearer]

Groundhog Day

Go for your life Charlie, and i wont even charge a fee.

[TheMase]

Nearly every match as a Swans Supporter is groundhog day isn't it?

[Dave]

Re: groundhog day

Originally posted by shearer
Seriously, Roos & Eade should take a lot of blame for the demise of Nicks. Why have a All-Australian Half Back and put him up forward. As mentioned by NMW Bloods his snap shot was typical of someone who isnt a natural forward.

Put him back to defence and we will see the best of him.

I have to agree. Nicks used to be my favourite player when he played down back. He was always a reliable mark and kicked superbly.

It's unfortunate we didn't have Magic there so Nicks could have been benched. That miss from 30 was a shocker.

By the way, I wonder if his form slump actually coincides with him dating this H&A girl? If so, Mate she's got to go!

[Nico]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I agree - Nicks has been very disappointing. For a guy with the potential to give a lot to the team, he really gives little to the team. He used to run and tackle hard, and was a valuable contributor. Not these days though. The team effort, and ihs particularly, in the last 2 min of the first qtr was a disgrace, and really set the tone for the day.

It's all very well blaming Nicks for missing the goal, but strewth, Adelaide then kicked 2 goals in 51 seconds, the last with 5 seconds to go. The Adelaide player who kicked the goal was the only player centre of the throw in, with our some of our backmen at least 5 metres from a man. Where was the "basic touch and feel technuque" which any Auskick kid is taught from 6 years old.
The TV shot from behind the goals of the replay was damning.

It took 4 bloody seconds from the time the boundary umpire threw it in, for them to kick a goal.

Where were all the midfielders getting back to smother the play.
Deplorable unaccountable football, not Nick's fault.

[NMWBloods]

It's all very well blaming Nicks for missing the goal, but strewth, Adelaide then kicked 2 goals in 51 seconds, the last with 5 seconds to go. The Adelaide player who kicked the goal was the only player centre of the throw in, with our some of our backmen at least 5 metres from a man. Where was the "basic touch and feel technuque" which any Auskick kid is taught from 6 years old.
The TV shot from behind the goals of the replay was damning.

It took 4 bloody seconds from the time the boundary umpire threw it in, for them to kick a goal.

Where were all the midfielders getting back to smother the play.
Deplorable unaccountable football, not Nick's fault.

I agree - that's why I wrote "the team effort..." Nicks should have kicked the goal, but even though he missed it, the Crows should never have scored again, let alone two more goals!!!

[CureTheSane]

Some players were given a last roll of the dice by the club.

They have had bad seasons, or injury ridden seasons, and were given a last chence to shine.

I now am concerned that this may set us back a year more than expected.

IMO, Nicks, JBolton, Warfe, McPherson, even Kirk should all be cleaned out at the end of teh year should they not perform.

Saddo is one to watch closely, this year is his make or break, I think.

[Cheer Cheer]

I might cut an paste a few peoples comments on here and refer back to them at a later stage.
The knives are out for saddo after one bad game. Same for a couple others.
The one thing that bemuses me about some people on here is how quickly they write off players after a bad game.
Goodes is the best example from last year.
The club would be better off with out these so called "supporters"
I do agree with some being written off like mcpherson for example

[Charlie]

I was at the fore of those last year who were suggesting that Goodes be traded. But I wasn't saying it in the same manner as people are writing off Nicks, McPherson, Saddington etc today.

I always pointed out that I thought it was fair enough that he get the season to prove that he was more important to the team as a player, not a trade. He did and he is now one of my favourite players.

At this stage of the season, no-one should be written off completely. If they aren't in the best 22 available that week, fine, drop them. But not just because you want a scapegoat.

[Dpw]

The Swans seem to struggle at home, I believe we suit alonger ground were we are able run the ball I don't think we will win many at the SCG(hope iam wrong).

As for cutting players every player on the list is for sale at the right price but I think we do need to put a broom through the list.

I won't comment on the game this week I just can't

[timr]

Sydney 3.3 7.4 11.6 15.8 98
Adelaide 7.5 13.7 16.9 17.14 116
Date: 04-Aug-2002 at SCG

[snajik]

Originally posted by Cheer Cheer
I might cut an paste a few peoples comments on here and refer back to them at a later stage.
The knives are out for saddo after one bad game. Same for a couple others.
The one thing that bemuses me about some people on here is how quickly they write off players after a bad game.
Goodes is the best example from last year.
The club would be better off with out these so called "supporters"
I do agree with some being written off like mcpherson for example

Absolutely. Therefore Willo must really be on thin ice. Two ordinary games in a row. Let's trade him!

And that's not all, the bloke got injured. He's a crock, a passenger! We're carrying this guy!

And how old is he again? What? Late 20s - early 30s? Old enough to be a grandfather! Bring on the youth!!

No wonder we haven't won a premiership for 70 years with guys like this in the side.

It's all your fault Willo. I work three jobs to pay your wages and you just throw my hard-earned down the toilet!

[CureTheSane]

All a matter of opinions I guess.

Goodes being traded, and O'Loughlin for that matter, was a complete joke.

But IMO, Saddington had a pretty crap season last year, and has started this one worse.
Nicks would be in the same boat to an extent.

How many seasons do we allow players to under perform?

2 years?
3 years?

There comes a time when we must cut our losses, and a 'rebuilding phase' is probably about the best time to make some hard decisions.

IMO McPherson should not be on the field.
He was never a vital player, and never will be, so what's the point?
Warfe is the same sort of player.
Keeping him on because of a weakened backline is a big mistake if that was teh only reason, better to give someone else a regular run.
Jude has shown some heart, but unless he backs that up with a little thing we like to call skill, he can move on too.
Kirk seems to ,e to be the sort of player who I look at and think, "he's worth keeping on, he looks like he'll come good" but I think age may make that train of thought a bit of a fantasy in the long run.

[Charlie]

Kirk seems to ,e to be the sort of player who I look at and think, "he's worth keeping on, he looks like he'll come good" but I think age may make that train of thought a bit of a fantasy in the long run.

What more can he do? He's been given a job as a tagger... and is doing it admirably. Was is he supposed to do? There's only one Andrew McLeod in the league, and his name is Andrew McLeod. Kirk can only do what he is asked to, and if he is doing it well, what's the problem?

[CureTheSane]

Yep, that was a bad call on Kirk on my part.
Unfortunately the role of a tagger generally goes unseen, and apparently Roos is well happy with his game.
It appears he is playing better than I gave him credit for.
Much like Crouch, he will never star in that role, and if that is the spot allocated for him and he can do it well, the that will be great

[swan_song]

What a club has to do to be successful is by hook or by crook (no offense meant there carlton supporters) develop or keep a strong list of players. We seem at the moment to have a playing group which does not appear to want to be successful. But in sport all things ARE cyclical, just that we appear to be on a very very slowly rotating one. Brisbane have had that super list of players for several years now, an absolutely stunning list of players which includes 3 brownlow medallists and the competition's best player. Essendon had it 3 or 4 years ago though now a lot of their players have slowed, but still bomber supporters can still expect their side to be competitive if not win week in week out. The wobbles have done it through astute coching (even though I don't like the guy) and developing a talented list of players.
The 2003 Swans have no "top notch" players left outside of willo and stewie. We have players with great potential in goodes, hall, magic, etc...and a very large group of players who have promised but failed so far to deliver consistently (nicks, jude, saddo, etc). How long can a club keep the faith with underperformers when the ultimate goal for everyone, surely, is to win a premiership.
In the end we have had the same excuses year in year out. If hard decisions need to be made, make them...
I think we have a "core" of regular supporters and can still average 15 -20,000 a game now at the SCG, so we should forget the bums on seats thinking of previous years, take that step or two backwards and build for the future...