Fosdike's contract

[Barry Schneider]

It was reported he was on $300,000 and that was why Adelaide baulked at a trade.How long has he got left on his contract?
He is obviously untradeable unless the Swans pay a large amount of his salary and he seems to have dropped down the pecking order to a fringe seniors player.Paying that sort of money for his output is frustrating.

[swansrule100]

dunno

might not be true, but i think we obviously will have to keep him til his contract runs out

[Nico]

We need a permanent Reserves captain.

[DST]

Funny how we all talk about our improved depth this year, but many are willing to trade Fosdike away for a mid range draft pick at best.

He has not met expecations of a top 5 pick so far in his career but frankly at this stage (at least for the next 2 to 3 years) he is far more valuable to us as a player who at his best is in our best 22 and not a top player if injuries so require.

DST

[swansrule100]

he will come good give him time

[footyhead]

He is a hack who has had his chance.
I would play any one of Ed clarke, Schmit,Willouby and Moore long before I gave him another crack.
Fosdick will never be a top shelf midfielder and thats what we need to find if we are ever to win the flag.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by footyhead
He is a hack who has had his chance.
I would play any one of Ed clarke, Schmit,Willouby and Moore long before I gave him another crack.
Fosdick will never be a top shelf midfielder and thats what we need to find if we are ever to win the flag.

Finally something I can agree with from FH.

More than ANYTHING else we need to find a matchwinner or two in the midfield, if we are going to go on and win a premiership in the next few years and regardless of how much time we give him, Fosdike ISN'T going to be one of those matchwinning midfielders.
Therefore the matchwinning midfielder we need to develop from within the current group of players is likely to come from the group of Willoughby, Moore or McVeigh and not the Fosdike's and Spriggs of the team.

swansrule100 yes Fosdike could come good in time, but how much more time are you going to give him??? 6 seasons hasn't been enough yet and its not likely a 7th or 8th will either.

DST, the depth can withstand trading or delisting Fosdike at seasons end because the midfield group is starting to feel the effects of the 02, 03 and 04 drafts. For this year at least having Fosdike available in the reserves "just in case" is a good thing, but going on into 06 and beyond all he would be doing is blocking the path of younger players who as it stands now will more than likely provide more "top class" service than Fosdike will be able to.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by footyhead
Fosdick will never be a top shelf midfielder and thats what we need to find if we are ever to win the flag.

I think you may be incorrect, the Swans have a long history of producing top shelf (and Brownlow winning) midfielders and yet we still have not won a premiership.
I don't think it's a coincidence either, what the Swans have historically lacked is a set of powerfull key position players.

People rabbit on about grassburners, but I wonder how important they really are?

Brisbane had the Fab4 but they also had Lynch, Brown, Leppitsch & Michael (with Bradshaw & Pike as back up). Other sides which have dominated multiple seasons include the Essendon & Hawthorn sides of the 80's and the Eagles in the 90's there most remarkable feature was for the strength of their spines.

PS I was most impressed with Fosdike's hardness last week, it's early days but I think being dropped may finally convince him that he needs to pull his finger out ~ something he's never done in his time at the Swans.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by swansrule100
he will come good give him time

Six years isn't enough time...?

[footyhead]

Originally posted by robbieando
Finally something I can agree with from FH.

More than ANYTHING else we need to find a matchwinner or two in the midfield, if we are going to go on and win a premiership in the next few years and regardless of how much time we give him, Fosdike ISN'T going to be one of those matchwinning midfielders.
Therefore the matchwinning midfielder we need to develop from within the current group of players is likely to come from the group of Willoughby, Moore or McVeigh and not the Fosdike's and Spriggs of the team.

swansrule100 yes Fosdike could come good in time, but how much more time are you going to give him??? 6 seasons hasn't been enough yet and its not likely a 7th or 8th will either.

DST, the depth can withstand trading or delisting Fosdike at seasons end because the midfield group is starting to feel the effects of the 02, 03 and 04 drafts. For this year at least having Fosdike available in the reserves "just in case" is a good thing, but going on into 06 and beyond all he would be doing is blocking the path of younger players who as it stands now will more than likely provide more "top class" service than Fosdike will be able to.

Glad you could jump on board Robbie, its a pleasure to have you.
However I must warn you we accept no passengers and no dissent here in the land of the Footyhead.

[timthefish]

Originally posted by Ruckman
Brisbane had the Fab4 but they also had Lynch, Brown, Leppitsch & Michael (with Bradshaw & Pike as back up). Other sides which have dominated multiple seasons include the Essendon & Hawthorn sides of the 80's and the Eagles in the 90's there most remarkable feature was for the strength of their spines.

don't forget the roos and carey, however, i think our forwards are a superb setup and what we're lacking is frequent and precise delivery inside 50. i agree we don't need a "fab four" but an across-the-board improvement and perhaps an injection of attacking nous (say schneider's) into the midfield is definitely the ticket,

[footyhead]

Originally posted by Ruckman
I think you may be incorrect, the Swans have a long history of producing top shelf (and Brownlow winning) midfielders and yet we still have not won a premiership.
I don't think it's a coincidence either, what the Swans have historically lacked is a set of powerfull key position players.

People rabbit on about grassburners, but I wonder how important they really are?

Brisbane had the Fab4 but they also had Lynch, Brown, Leppitsch & Michael (with Bradshaw & Pike as back up). Other sides which have dominated multiple seasons include the Essendon & Hawthorn sides of the 80's and the Eagles in the 90's there most remarkable feature was for the strength of their spines.

All good points and I hope a couple more KPP step up as well, but surly our midfield could do with a bit more class. Who do we have that has at least 6 years in front of them who can hit pinpoint moving targets from 50 meters? kick goals out side 50? throw a bit of muscle around the packs? In short stand up?
Oh yeah a young kid named NOG.
And everyone is questioning his inclusion over a bunch of hacks who can only deliver clangers and a bit of the old ultra fittness.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by footyhead
All good points and I hope a couple more KPP step up as well, but surly our midfield could do with a bit more class.

This is of course a Fosdkie thread and I'm digressing however I am beginning to think the Swans eternal shortage of KPP's may be a major factor in our failure to win a flag in recent history.

Certainly the Hafey teams of the mid 80's were loaded with brilliant onballers yet lacked a strong spine (no pun intended).

[footyhead]

Lets see:

Schuabs (if he ever makes it back)
LRT(if he makes it)
Goodes (if he eva gets to be a KPP)
BBH (yeeeah , that 1 definate!)

**** - bring on the young KPP.

[DST]

Originally posted by robbieando
DST, the depth can withstand trading or delisting Fosdike at seasons end because the midfield group is starting to feel the effects of the 02, 03 and 04 drafts. For this year at least having Fosdike available in the reserves "just in case" is a good thing, but going on into 06 and beyond all he would be doing is blocking the path of younger players who as it stands now will more than likely provide more "top class" service than Fosdike will be able to.

I can see your point Robbie, but their would be a couple of players to go before Fosdike got the chop.

You would think that it is Maxfields last year and Williams may only have another one left after this year.

Sunquist and Fixter would also be in danger of being delisted this year if they fail to get on the park for at least 16 senior/reserve games.

We can therefore retain all of our midfielders from the 02, 03 & 04 drafts for future development and still have enough room to retain Fosdike and draft a couple more in this years draft.

DST