Rok

[swansrule100]

he is down and needs a big improvement, but i think he earnt enough credits for a few more weeks!

[BAM_BAM]

Originally posted by LittleSchneider
I agree with Bloods.
McVeigh was dropped and he had a far better game than ROK did last week.
Are the core senior players immune from being dropped? Rules for some, different rules for others it seems.

Some players with more matches may get a run before others, just for that reason. Particularly when they are playing a team with the experience the Lions have.

He has been quiet so far, but not dismal. He is also being ignored often when on a lead for Hall. He can't mark it and score if it ain't kicked in his direction.

[swansrule100]

Originally posted by BAM_BAM
He can't mark it and score if it ain't kicked in his direction.

exactly


he could be in the form of his life, but he need to get the ball given to him. might be worth moving down back for some time if he starts quietly against the crows!

[dendol]

Originally posted by swansrule100
exactly


he could be in the form of his life, but he need to get the ball given to him. might be worth moving down back for some time if he starts quietly against the crows!

I've never seen him play off a half-back flank, and to be honest, why would you want to considering we have Kennelly, Bolton, Barry, and now Dempster all capable of doing this?

He's a forward and plays his best footy there.

[Nico]

O'Keefe probably had his worst game of his career against North. This week he was better.

Given his rapid improvement last year it is only a matter of a game or two before he is back in the groove.

Once our quick game came about in the second half he started to find touch, and his finish at the start of the last Q shows he retains that part of his game.

Also the opposition are probably paying him a lot more respect.

Patience.

[Matt79]

Originally posted by Nico
O'Keefe probably had his worst game of his career against North. This week he was better.

Given his rapid improvement last year it is only a matter of a game or two before he is back in the groove.

Once our quick game came about in the second half he started to find touch, and his finish at the start of the last Q shows he retains that part of his game.

Also the opposition are probably paying him a lot more respect.

Patience.

Very well said!

[cruiser]

Originally posted by Nico
O'Keefe probably had his worst game of his career against North.

Wasnt that against St Kilda in last year's semi final? There hasnt been a lot of improvement since.

[Nico]

Originally posted by cruiser
Wasnt that against St Kilda in last year's semi final? There hasnt been a lot of improvement since.

2 ordinary games since 2004? Strewth that is hard marking.

[cruiser]

Originally posted by Nico
2 ordinary games since 2004? Strewth that is hard marking.

You've gotta mark hard when you have players like Magic coming back into the side. Someone has to go. Do you drop someone based on current form or experience? I think ROK will find form again and star in our fwd line, but maybe he needs a spell in the 2's.

[sharpie]

Originally posted by cruiser
You've gotta mark hard when you have players like Magic coming back into the side. Someone has to go. Do you drop someone based on current form or experience? I think ROK will find form again and star in our fwd line, but maybe he needs a spell in the 2's.

You have to judge players slightly differently due to their individual roles. With MOL coming back, it will free up ROK to play against a lesser player, giving him more opportunity to shine.

Same would go for LRT when Schaubs comes back.

[cruiser]

Originally posted by sharpie
You have to judge players slightly differently due to their individual roles. With MOL coming back, it will free up ROK to play against a lesser player, giving him more opportunity to shine.

Same would go for LRT when Schaubs comes back.

I hope you're right.

[sharpie]

Originally posted by cruiser
I hope you're right.

it is theoretically what should happen. If these guys continue to struggle once they do play on the "lesser" opposition, then it will be time to talk about dropping them.

[liz]

Originally posted by sharpie
it is theoretically what should happen. If these guys continue to struggle once they do play on the "lesser" opposition, then it will be time to talk about dropping them.

You only drop a player if he is completely awful or if there is someone better to come in from the seconds.

Putting aside the fact that I reckon the criticism of O'Keefe is a little premature (given that many of the rest of the team have been up and down too thus far), there are none of the juniors capable of contributing what he is able to.

If he doesn't find his feet soon he could find himself squeezed out by the returns of O'Loughlin and Saddo. But most of the younger players - Moore, Willoughby, Schmidt, maybe even Potter, McVeigh and Schneider - are really competing for the last two midfield / pocket places in the team, currently filled by Buchanan and Bevan.

[NMWBloods]

Criticism of O'Keefe is not premature - it's timely. Talk of dropping him is probably premature though.

[BAM_BAM]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Criticism of O'Keefe is not premature - it's timely. Talk of dropping him is probably premature though.

exactly.