Anyone for Roosie's head yet?

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Originally posted by Glenn
IMHO to early in the season to be after Roos, however come mid season and the consistancy isn't there, then questions need to be asked

I was asking them privately even as early as last season. At least some of us are coming clean and admitting that the stoppage-based gameplan he adopts is due to the fact that we seriously lack AFL standard cattle. specially when key players get injured.


My beef all along has been that a high possession game is always flirting with danger. especially when many of the possessions are made both in our defensive 50 AND under extreme pressure. But I'd still like us to go down swinging. And playing a type of football that is more suited to the skillsets of the players. That peoples comes down to one thing, coaching and the team game plan.

The defensive huddle they adopt as they are coming out of defense in my view does not work. Tagdh is as bad as Scott Direen for kicking short and toward the boundary line. Players are splaying towards either flank t every kick-in, thus negating the most attacking way home, straight up the guts and LONG.

Am I being too simplistic in being criticial of our strategy coming out of defense? I seriously do NOT think it works, and rarely has.

JF

[Mike_B]

Nope not at all JF. Many will know how long and how often I have whinged about our kick-ins and the fact we taken so long to get the ball out of our defensive 50 after a behind. It was so refreshing to see Dempster go long to a contest inside the centre square from a kick in today. Even though it resulted in a ball up, at least then we don't have to worry about a turnover inside defensive 50 resulting in a hoard of open players because of the zone that is used to defend kick ins.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
lack AFL standard cattle.

My beef all along

up the guts

JF

You better go out and get yourself a kebab mate. Your sibconscious is leaking into your posts.

[liz]

Originally posted by footyhead
There has been no verifiable out and out star unearthed in Rooses time. God knows we need them.

Barry Hall?

Plus it hard to argue that he has not got the best out of the likes of Kirk and Barry, and helped Goodes to step up a level almost as soon as he took over. (The fact that he was injured last year means its hard to see the ongoing form curve, though there were a few signs today amidst the carnage that Goodsey is getting back to 2003 form.)

It also needs to be borne in mind that the Swans have drafted players in recent years knowing that they would take a bit of time. That is partly due to not having many top picks but even with McVeigh the club must have realised that he would take more time than, say, a Schammer.

Bevan and Schneider have both burst onto the scene in their debut years, played all games in the respective seasons, and finished top 5 or 6 in the Rising Star. They are now both finding that life after year one is a bit tougher but most young players experience that. Comparing to a Judd or Riewoldt is meaningless. Most players take much longer.

[Red@WhiteBaron]

Re: Anyone for Roosie's head yet?

Originally posted by swan_song
Well....?

Hmmm, how does one answer this one. Roosy is a great coach, and he has really helped us progress from where we were under Eade.

But that doesn't guarantee Premiership success.

As good as Roosy is, I feel that he lacks the toughness and the creativity-ingenuity to be an effective and very successful AFL coach.

Just once, I want to see him ripping the phone out after he's just ordered one of our players off for a pathetic disposal; or really going for an aneurysm at the quarter time break when the boys have failed to capitalise.

Think David Parkin, think Ron Barassi, think Kevin Sheedy.

Sure, there are those who say that you can maintain discipline by going about things with a cool and calm head, but there are times when you need to unleash the fury!

On another front, we don't seem to be playing the direct and precise footy any more. Everyone has seen the results when we do, and they're beautiful results.

The boys backing themselves up and running in to take a shot at goal??!!??

Nicksies shot for goal from 25m out against the Lions the week before (which was intercepted) was unacceptable. Yes, footy players are human - but they are also professional sportsmen. Nicks should have been dragged for that, as it could potentially be a match loser.

Some of the guys seem to be going flat at the 3rd quarter, which says a lot about their level of fitness.

MOL coming straight back into the senior team today was a mistake, and his lack of discipline showed this with free kicks.

Anyway, if we were to select another coach at the end of the year then I would have liked to have seen Mal Blight. He's still young, has a great football brain, and builds confidence.

[liz]

Re: Re: Anyone for Roosie's head yet?

Originally posted by Red@WhiteBaron

Anyway, if we were to select another coach at the end of the year then I would have liked to have seen Mal Blight. He's still young, has a great football brain, and builds confidence.

Blight at St Kilda was a disaster. Evidence from his Crows years suggests he is good with an established team but not so great with a host of younger players. Which category are the Swans in at the moment?

As for O'Loughlin's selection being a mistake, I don't agree. He would have got nothing out of playing with the twos today, and nor would the team in the sense of getting him to where he needs to be. He gave away some frees but that wasn't really the reason we lost today, and maybe it was partly because he knew the goals were coming from the midfielders and the crumbers that he was trying too hard to mark.

[robbieando]

Blight would be a no go area for me and I think by the time an opening for the Swans senior coach came along, Cressa might just be ready for the role. But thats not for 2-3 years at least and we have a lot of football to play in between now and then and lets leave the infighting to Richmond until we reallt need to use it.

[Red@WhiteBaron]

Re: Re: Re: Anyone for Roosie's head yet?

Originally posted by liz
Blight at St Kilda was a disaster. Evidence from his Crows years suggests he is good with an established team but not so great with a host of younger players. Which category are the Swans in at the moment?

I have always said that malcolm Blight was never a right for St Kilda, given the mentality at the club. Mal has a pretty enviable record when it comes to finals, and it's unfortunate Geelong couldn't quite go all the way. I think Mal's ability to think outside the square puts him on par with someone like Kevin Sheedy, and his work/discipline ethic puts him on par with someone like Tom Hafey: excellent footy skills are useless if players run out of puff at 3/4 time.

Either way, the success of a team rests with a whole swag of coaches and recruitment/development staff.

[footyhead]

If Malcolm Blight wanted to come to the Swans and coach them, how much audacity would the Swans have to have to say no?
But that has always been the character of the Swans-over proud/arrogant club who have little to show for their attitude.
Malcolm is one of the the most highest winning coaches % wise, a man who has two flags to his name as coach, many more GF appearances as coach, also has premiership medalions as a players was one of the best players of his generation (and a fine generation it was to).
Seriously some of you idiots are way to up yourself if you think a club with the history of the Swans could affoard to turn down someone with the skills and ability of M.Blight. I get the feeling some of you think you could do better than Blighty.
The funny thing is some of you probaly could do better than Roosie , hahahahaha!
I'm sure the same bunch would say no to Sheedy and Mathews as well. God... get a grip people , the Swans are @@@@ and they need good footballing brains at their club! It is already looking like a mistake that the Swans did not take wallet instead of Roos!!!

[Agent 86]

Re: Anyone for Roosie's head yet?

Originally posted by swan_song
Well....?

Sack the coach after 4 games? We are not St.Kilda.

We lost because our skills were rubbish. You can blame the coach for that but I don't.

[tez]

A further reason why we killed this game was not manning up
and contesting the ball. All day the crows had loose men, sometimes 50 metres in the clear and were able to trransfer
play from end to end very quickly. One thing that knocks a
player around is the fruitless chasing and we did it all day on
the O'Reilly stand side. Loose men every where all day.

[ScottH]

Originally posted by tez
All day the crows had loose men, sometimes 50 metres in the clear

The emphasis there is MEN, sometimes they were queueing up to take an uncontested marks/possessions, with not a Swan in sight.

Too easy for them.

[barry]

Roos as a player was a defender, who had little experience in finals.

Roos as a coach plays a defensive game which comes undone in finals pressure.

This is what concerns me. Can we go to the next level under Roos ?

[Foreign Legion]

The biggest mistake of Roosy's coaching career has been to try and turn Tadhg Kennelly intoa backman - he has no idea.

When Tadhg plays International Rules he plays as a forward with great results.

Give him 4-6 weeks on the half forward line/wing and he will never play back again!

And yes, our kickins are the worst in the league - how many end up being 20M chips to a guy in the back pocket? Forced on one side of the ground in a worse position than full back!

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by Foreign Legion
And yes, our kickins are the worst in the league - how many end up being 20M chips to a guy in the back pocket? Forced on one side of the ground in a worse position than full back!

About 99% would be my guess.