A happy club?

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Diego
Crock of muerda, like all your post.

Scintillating insight, yet again

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
" i think we have got to start working a little bit better together. Maybe we are playing too much like individuals- everyone trying to kick the winning score off their own boot"
" i think once we get back to working as a team within a team i think we will be alright then"

He still used "we". And its still the truth.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Jeez JF, how could you present this as an "argument"? You have a mate who saw them in a pub and now they are a team that couldn't care less?? What should they have been doing? Crying into their beers?

I can only argue what i believe mate. I still feel that our players are not made hurt after losses like players from other clubs. They can go out after a loss and feel no sense of letting anyone down. Because in this city they still remain mainly unknown.

And anyone having the 'temerity' to pass comment on their performance is often treated extremely patronising. Ross Lyon's attitude at the 'after-match' (if you could call it that) on Saturday night was proof for my argument. He patronised a member who yelled out "Kick in long", then got out of there as quickly as he could.

i hate to be seen as a 'bad egg' in terms of being criticial of the team and players. Especially considering my deemed status of being an "official supporter of the club". BUT if there is a negative culture prevalent at the club, which I unfortunately think IS the case, I think it would be remiss of me to not comment on it.

I will be there to support the side in Perth in spite of everything.

JF

[sharpie]

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
Ross Lyon's attitude at the 'after-match' (if you could call it that) on Saturday night was proof for my argument. He patronised a member who yelled out "Kick in long", then got out of there as quickly as he could.

Is this for real? Who got out quickly, Lyon or the member? Very interesting if it was Lyon. More details?

[Nico]

Lyon is good at walking out. Stood out of footy for a year at Fitzroy to go to Carlton for more dough.

[Nico]

Should have added "and I hope he keeps right on walkin' "

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
remembering that only a small proportion of AFL players earn more than the average annual salary

WTF!?!

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Wardy
I noticed on Saturday night that there is definate tension between Magic and Baz - they were glaring at each other, were getting in each others way and there seemed no way that either would pass the ball to the other (well not that I saw anyway)

I noticed Hall was upset with everyone!

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
WTF!?!

Minimum AFL first year wage is $44,300 plus match payments and bonuses. Consider also that the average career length of an AFL player is currently 2.9 years, and many are lucky to get more than a handful of games. Earning more than $50,000 for a LOT of young AFL players is unlikely.

The current average annual income for full-time adults (as at Nov 2004) is $50,596. That is exclusive of overtime, bonuses and penalty rates, and includes both sexes (when women are on average on slightly lower wages for the same work... still).

Sure it looks great to earn $50k when you are fresh out of school, but if you average out the total earning capacity of ANY player over their total employable lifetime, they are not great earners. And I know plenty of apprentice plumbers who at 19 earn way more than $50k.

[Wardy]

fair comment all of you - but, and I agree with ROK, things just dont seem quite right. they are not playing like a confident happy team.

We can be super positive etc (and for the most part, most of us are) but the thing is none of us - unless they work within the club, really knows whats going on behind the scenes.

Yes Baz was pissed off with everyone, Leo kept going for the impossible spectacular mark so as to make his 150th memorable which in some ways was selfish and normally ended up with a Melbourne goal. The hand passing was insane and
the decision making was nothing short of appalling.
The whole thing was a shambles. So what is the cause? We know they can play better, much better.

Perhaps their is some underlying tension because of Baz's contract, and lets face it he hasnt played that well since putting pen to paper. Maybe there are other players in the team who feel they are worthy of the same - we just dont know.!

Again the "us" (leadership group) and "them" (the others) may be having an effect, just not the right one.. WE JUST DONT KNOW!

But its a business, and like any business when it comes to salaries and position there is always someone who will not be happy when someone else does better than they do. (And I see it here with senior management all the time).

So I'm ready for the inevitable "Wardy you are talking our of your arse" but thats what I think, like it or not.

[ScottH]

Originally posted by Wardy
But its a business, and like any business when it comes to salaries and position there is always someone who will not be happy when someone else does better than they do. (And I see it here with senior management all the time).

Wardy you are talking our of your arse!!!!!!!

But in your business do you know what your work mates are being paid?? Do you know how much more your leaders are getting as opposed to you??? Is there salary or your salary details plastered in the media??? No.

I'm sure some people are not happy about what others are getting, but I reckon there is something more, something deeper.

Hall was just so despondent!! Maybe he missed Maxfields on field leadership.

[Wardy]

Thank you - just what I expected.

You get a bit of an idea in our annual report - then we all sit and whinge about it!. (We had a mass walk out of our placement dept last week - the hoo har that caused as they went to the opposition and the $$$ mentioned was nothing short of amazing!)

Agree it could be something deeper - but what ???

Unless the gals on the panel here, we should go and give em all a big hug and tell them that we love them - actually that may scare them, perhaps not such a good idea...

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by DST
I just had a look at the stated article, can you point me out where he unloaded on his teammates as I am a little confused.

DST

The players met yesterday and Roos indicated that the group blamed Barry Hall, Michael O'Loughlin and the other forwards for recent low scores and poor results.

Source and see other thread.

Getting closer...

[Schneiderman]

I still reckon we should have given the captaincy to Bazza.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Minimum AFL first year wage is $44,300 plus match payments and bonuses. Consider also that the average career length of an AFL player is currently 2.9 years, and many are lucky to get more than a handful of games. Earning more than $50,000 for a LOT of young AFL players is unlikely.

The current average annual income for full-time adults (as at Nov 2004) is $50,596. That is exclusive of overtime, bonuses and penalty rates, and includes both sexes (when women are on average on slightly lower wages for the same work... still).

Sure it looks great to earn $50k when you are fresh out of school, but if you average out the total earning capacity of ANY player over their total employable lifetime, they are not great earners. And I know plenty of apprentice plumbers who at 19 earn way more than $50k.

You might new some, but the average annual salary is about where the minimum salary plus for AFL players is (what is your source for that number?). Most people who will earn more than $45K don't do so for a few years. Most players currently playing earn more than the minimum.

Plenty of them do well enough to play for a few years, put a bit away and get some useful contacts.

For the players who don't, they have still earnt decent money for a few years, usually more than most their age, done some training (most clubs encourage this) and made some useful contacts.

It's hardly a bad start in a footy-mad city and it certainly doesn't hurt their chances relative to others who don't play football.

It's a good gig whatever way you look at it.